West Aussie
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Nothing wrong with that…not everyone is in the position to buy new…or even at all, and I hope that a demo comes up real quick for you.I think Im getting a used one cuz Im poor
Nothing wrong with that…not everyone is in the position to buy new…or even at all, and I hope that a demo comes up real quick for you.I think Im getting a used one cuz Im poor
So you're driving an automatic?yea i have that and the toyo guard, i still want to get a z also but i figured it be awhile before i can even get one
I'll keep saying this...the Supra 3.0L in Canada is 14K more than the Z. The Z is 58,485 and the Zupra is 73K.I'm not really sure where you guys are getting that the automatic Z is only two tenths of a second slower in the quarter mile than the supra. Stock Supra runs flat 12s all day long. And are you guys going to just ignore 0 to 60 times, as well? The tested Z times didn't get anywhere near a 3.8 second 0 to 60.
And not only that, it's not just purely based on acceleration, quarter mile times. It's a combination of price performance, interior quality and the fact that so much of the car is still a 370Z.
That's why I've lost a lot of enthusiasm, because I just can't get excited over this car at the trim level being almost 55k
its the only way it comesSo you're driving an automatic?
Smart...use the savings to drive cross country.I think Im getting a used one cuz Im poor
Really great perspective here. I went back and looked at the times in a side by side comparison:Back in the 90's, the 300ZX was much slower than the Supra. About 1.0 sec 0-60. I remember that the Supra was a really big deal back then because it could get to 60 in 4.6 sec.
Fast forward to 2022 and the Z is now nearly as fast as a hot BMW, only off by a few tenths and 1mph?
Pfft, WTF do people want?
If the Supra was ACTUALLY made wholly by Toyota, I guarantee the Z would've beat it this time around.
Toyota wasn't messing around by choosing BMW as the surrogate of the Supra, they knew BMW would make a very good performing car.
Personally I'm stoked the Z runs low 12's and traps 116mph.
Jeebus some people should just buy a Tesla. This new Z is actually fast enough, just like the Supra and Teslas, to be wildly dangerous on public roads in only 3-4 seconds
With Covid shutdowns, shipping delays, shipping congestion at ports, etc. it's difficult for anyone to give exact time frames for things arriving these days. Even places like Book Depository have blown out their international delivery times to far longer just to cover themselves against complaints.Why cant they just give us an exact time frame when to see them?
Several dyno tests have shown that the B58 is severely underrated. It's pushing 375-385 hp at the wheels, which translates to 430-440 hp at the crank. So its higher hp, and higher torque.If you look the Supra has less HP but way more torque (a la inline 6).
They did before, in a car called the Lexus LFA. Brilliant car, but hit the market 5 years too late and with a sticker price of $340k. It's a great car, but hard to justify at that price point. An in-house Supra would've easily been $125k+. The problem is that the price point is too high for the target demographic, and the badge isn't prestigious enough for the people who spend that kind of money on cars. It's the same problem with the second gen NSX and R35 GTRs.But they didn't. And they can't.
Toyota didn't "partner" with BMW. They completely outsourced to BMW and phoned-in the design. There isn't a single part in the Supra from the Toyota parts bin.Several dyno tests have shown that the B58 is severely underrated. It's pushing 375-385 hp at the wheels, which translates to 430-440 hp at the crank. So its higher hp, and higher torque.
They did before, in a car called the Lexus LFA. Brilliant car, but hit the market 5 years too late and with a sticker price of $340k. It's a great car, but hard to justify at that price point. An in-house Supra would've easily been $125k+. The problem is that the price point is too high for the target demographic, and the badge isn't prestigious enough for the people who spend that kind of money on cars. It's the same problem with the second gen NSX and R35 GTRs.
But let's be honest: people would've found a reason to bitch about something.
- Toyota partnered with BMW: "Not a real Toyota"
- Toyota made it in-house and charged 6 figures: "Nobody will pay 6 figures for it. I'd rather get a 911"
- Toyota used the Camry V6 or one of the Lexus UR V8s: "But it's not an inline 6" (oh the irony here....)
Nope I have to agree with you on all points. I was going off that website and the point I was making is the inline 6 makes crazy torque which wins 0-60 battles and 1/4 miles. It is a massively underrated power plant. Agreed. Loved the LFA.Several dyno tests have shown that the B58 is severely underrated. It's pushing 375-385 hp at the wheels, which translates to 430-440 hp at the crank. So its higher hp, and higher torque.
They did before, in a car called the Lexus LFA. Brilliant car, but hit the market 5 years too late and with a sticker price of $340k. It's a great car, but hard to justify at that price point. An in-house Supra would've easily been $125k+. The problem is that the price point is too high for the target demographic, and the badge isn't prestigious enough for the people who spend that kind of money on cars. It's the same problem with the second gen NSX and R35 GTRs.
But let's be honest: people would've found a reason to bitch about something.
- Toyota partnered with BMW: "Not a real Toyota"
- Toyota made it in-house and charged 6 figures: "Nobody will pay 6 figures for it. I'd rather get a 911"
- Toyota used the Camry V6 or one of the Lexus UR V8s: "But it's not an inline 6" (oh the irony here....)
No thanks on the V35A-FTS. Wastegate actuator failures. Several Tundras have failed while the car was on the lot and are $60k bricks.Toyota didn't "partner" with BMW. They completely outsourced to BMW and phoned-in the design. There isn't a single part in the Supra from the Toyota parts bin.
Toyota could've recycled the RC chassis, shortened it for 2 seater duty, and used the V35A-FTS from the Lexus, Tundra and Sequoia.
Of course, it wouldn't even come close to the BMW and would likely have a very tough going against this new Z.
Some would've complained it was no longer inline 6, or it reused a dated chassis. But, it could've met pricing targets and been 100% Japanese.
To me, the cool thing about the Toyota Supra was that it was an amazing performer, and carried the aura of "Toyota Reliability and Practicality"
So....what you're saying is that Toyota, in no way, could have built a legitimate Z competitor? Yup, I'd agree with that. They basically hired a hit man.No thanks on the V35A-FTS. Wastegate actuator failures. Several Tundras have failed while the car was on the lot and are $60k bricks.
As for using the RC chassis or engine, the RC-F starts at $67k, and is much worse than any of the F8x BMWs. Glad they didn't try to compete with the Cayman on an underachieving platform, which probably would've cost more than what Toyota charges for the Supra now.
I really don't get this hangup of "100% Japanese". That's of a bygone era before computers and automation was the industry standard. Reliability has been stepped up across the board (Buick ranked better than Toyota last year for dependability). A lot of the "new cars aren't reliable" opinions come from older folks who think they're better than computers at constantly monitoring the state of their car.
And I Want My Over 50 Discount on my Grand Slam Breakfast Sonny ! ! !So....what you're saying is that Toyota, in no way, could have built a legitimate Z competitor? Yup, I'd agree with that. They basically hired a hit man.
And your assertion about "older folks" is completely wrong. Those "older folks" are the ones who developed and designed the technology, and the older customers with money are gladly buying those kinds of vehicles up, with no complaints. You're just trying to throw shade at people who have legitimate opinions differing from yours.
Course they could've. Lower quality interior, toss in the old Camry V6, put it on the RC chassis, and it would've been a Z competitor.So....what you're saying is that Toyota, in no way, could have built a legitimate Z competitor?
You wildly missed the point here.And your assertion about "older folks" is completely wrong. Those "older folks" are the ones who developed and designed the technology, and the older customers with money are gladly buying those kinds of vehicles up, with no complaints. You're just trying to throw shade at people who have legitimate opinions differing from yours.