So... who's still "all in"

[TaroBaapG35]

I spent $6.20 USD in gasoline yesterday. While in some areas that's not considered a lot, it was the most I've ever spent. I'd say it further gave pause to buying a new lower mpg car, and for driving in general.

Probably a more hardcore buyer, or person buying mainly for occasional use of a vehicle, might not care so much. But I'm wondering how the fuel prices will impact the greater market for vehicles of various types.

As much as I'm against pushing for Tesla, I would say if bought at the right time it's a great investment especially considering gas prices...I've driven the car 4300 miles and have To date spent $155 to drive it. $100 is due to supercharging on 3 trips, but rest is at home charging. Nothing free. It costs me $4 to fill 220 miles, of which I get approx 200 of range.

 

[Denver the Last Dinosaur]

It costs me $4 to fill 220 miles

And about 10 hours every time (assuming nobody stupidly unplugs it) ... as against five minutes for petrol or diesel.

 

[Donalex]

And about 10 hours every time (assuming nobody stupidly unplugs it) ... as against five minutes for petrol or diesel.

Uh, usually overnight...?

 

[LZ23]

And about 10 hours every time (assuming nobody stupidly unplugs it) ... as against five minutes for petrol or diesel.

If there was an actual electric sports car that looked good for under 65k CAD it might change things.The Z is still good value. As of today the average price for a new car in Canada is 53.5K

 

[TaroBaapG35]

And about 10 hours every time (assuming nobody stupidly unplugs it) ... as against five minutes for petrol or diesel.

LOL..heyyyy...its only 6 hours. At night...TBH it works well 99% of the time, but one very drunken night my wife forgot to put the charger on before a trip the next morning..so had to spend a bit more $$ at Supercharger....$10, but can def understand the limitation...

 

[trackratZ]

As much as I'm against pushing for Tesla, I would say if bought at the right time it's a great investment especially considering gas prices...I've driven the car 4300 miles and have To date spent $155 to drive it. $100 is due to supercharging on 3 trips, but rest is at home charging. Nothing free. It costs me $4 to fill 220 miles, of which I get approx 200 of range.

EVs are great overall for commuting and local trips, no doubt about it. How are your tires holding up? Those are more consumables because of the heavier loads.

 

[bboypuertoroc]

EVs are great overall for commuting and local trips, no doubt about it. How are your tires holding up? Those are more consumables because of the heavier loads.

EV definitely wouldn't be my first choice for a long road trip. Around town is a different story. The more time I spend in my friends Model 3 the more I like it.

 

[TaroBaapG35]

EVs are great overall for commuting and local trips, no doubt about it. How are your tires holding up? Those are more consumables because of the heavier loads.

Only ~4400 miles thus far. So not bad at all. Worst thing about the car is the wind & road noise is much more apparent now as there is absolutely no other NVH. The car is a dream to take on trips. I took a MYP on a round trip to TN and it was much quieter (wind noise) but weight and road noise due to 21's wasn't so fun; plus less economical. I made the same trip to TN in my M3 LR and saved $15 in SC. But total cost was only $45 round trip

 

[NiZmonium]

I'm pretty much out at this point . I've even gotten used to the looks of the Z , and although it is sexy , it's not a total stunningly beautiful car.

I even think from watching many of the reviews that performance is only pretty good .

Almost everyone is saying the same thing - " the Z is like a refined and quicker 370z "

I just can't bring myself to drop $50k for the Z

 

[Go2ZZZ]

I'm pretty much out at this point . I've even gotten used to the looks of the Z , and although it is sexy , it's not a total stunningly beautiful car.

I even think from watching many of the reviews that performance is only pretty good .

Almost everyone is saying the same thing - " the Z is like a refined and quicker 370z "

I just can't bring myself to drop $50k for the Z

Just a get a sport model for 40k. It’s well worth it.

i don’t know who is telling you that the new z is refined. All the well known reviewers compared the 370 and new one have all said it’s a huge difference. Not just power the power but the suspension

given the world we live in and prices for things are, it’s not bad at all.

we all have to get used to the prices of things. It’s hard, I get it. But this is the new norm folks

 

[takemorepills]

Just a get a sport model for 40k. It’s well worth it.

Yeah right.

Weekly reminder:
Pandemic is still ongoing.
Basic-ass vehicles are seeing $5k-10k markups.

 

[TitanZ]

It certainly doesn't feel like this whole limited production thing is hurting the manufacturers one bit, any manufacturer across any industry...they are just passing higher unit prices down to their retailers/dealers who are in turn tacking on even more to the end consumer...shrug their shoulders and say pandemic, you want it, pay up or else the next guy will, FOMO. They're all realizing record profits and beating estimates despite gloomy outlook. Manufacturered scarcity seems to be the name of the game now and it doesn't feel like any manufacturer will be in a hurry to get back to the old ideal of high production and lower costs when they can control the flow of product and keep demand raging.

It feels like mass collusion and a free pass to price gouge forever and just blame it on a never ending parts and labor shortage and inflation across the board. Speculation that some OEMs have been hoarding chips, so maybe not really a constraint but still used as a primary excuse, we'll never know and they can keep selling us the higher priced models instead of lower trim cheaper models ($40K base sport Z, lol, what % of production will these make up? Base model could be as much of a unicorn as the Proto spec).

At some point something has to give, maybe. I checked Autotrader today and there are 596 Brand New (not "used" with 16 miles on ODO, but listed as "New") 2021 Ford Mustangs (2021, not even looking at all the 2022 stock) sitting on dealer lots, 50 of which are Mach 1's, many with $5K -$10K ADM. Before the end of this year the 2023 Mustang will be out, so despite all this scarcity to justify higher prices, Ford dealers across the country are sitting on almost 600 brand new Mustangs that are almost 2 model years old and still haven't sold yet...

 

[Lvckv69]

It certainly doesn't feel like this whole limited production thing is hurting the manufacturers one bit, any manufacturer across any industry...they are just passing higher unit prices down to their retailers/dealers who are in turn tacking on even more to the end consumer...shrug their shoulders and say pandemic, you want it, pay up or else the next guy will, FOMO. They're all realizing record profits and beating estimates despite gloomy outlook. Manufacturered scarcity seems to be the name of the game now and it doesn't feel like any manufacturer will be in a hurry to get back to the old ideal of high production and lower costs when they can control the flow of product and keep demand raging.

It feels like mass collusion and a free pass to price gouge forever and just blame it on a never ending parts and labor shortage and inflation across the board. Speculation that some OEMs have been hoarding chips, so maybe not really a constraint but still used as a primary excuse, we'll never know and they can keep selling us the higher priced models instead of lower trim cheaper models ($40K base sport Z, lol, what % of production will these make up? Base model could be as much of a unicorn as the Proto spec).

At some point something has to give, maybe. I checked Autotrader today and there are 596 Brand New (not "used" with 16 miles on ODO, but listed as "New") 2021 Ford Mustangs (2021, not even looking at all the 2022 stock) sitting on dealer lots, 50 of which are Mach 1's, many with $5K -$10K ADM. Before the end of this year the 2023 Mustang will be out, so despite all this scarcity to justify higher prices, Ford dealers across the country are sitting on almost 600 brand new Mustangs that are almost 2 model years old and still haven't sold yet...

I agree with you. This is just an excuse to increase all the prices. All planned. All I know is nobody is getting the sport for 40k in the U.S.

 

[Lvckv69]

I agree with you. This is just an excuse to increase all the prices. All planned. All I know is nobody is getting the sport for 40k in the U.S.

 

[rmbge]

I think a lot of younger people who have mostly owned cheaper , low horsepower cars see a car like the 86 or a BRZ as a next level of performance and power .

Years ago I owned a couple Nissan Maximas and other cheaper low-end cars , and when I was able to afford a better car I bought an Infiniti G37, and was really happy and excited about it , because to me it was a faster and more luxurious vehicle .

And of course after a couple of years I was already wanting a car with more power

You make a good point; the 86 is definitely a vehicle that acts as a gateway to the platform.

I owned a 2017 Subaru BRZ Limited. While it was fun to drive and I could maximize its performance, it was still seriously lacking. I got rid of it in October 2021 and chose to hold out for the Z. The wait is awful though…