Instrument Tested & Comparison: 2023 Nissan Z Performance vs. 2022 GR Supra 3.0 Premium Review

[LZ23]

Yeah interesting decision to run a manual against a auto. Probably had limited availability of press cars. Also surprised at the digs at the Z’s interior but praise for the Supras… the interior of the Supra was the biggest drawback for me when purchasing since it was identical to the 2015 4 series I was trading in for it. Sure it’s good quality… but it’s a decade old parts bin mish mash.

Doesn’t matter to me though. Still want the Z and swapping out the stock tires with PS4s isn’t a big deal (planning to do the same on the Supra eventually) and let’s not get down on the numbers themselves. IMO performance is on par with the Supra and I’m sure stickier tires will help the Z.

This is a stupid comparison,and is totally meaningless.They should be comparing auto to auto but it is C&D and this magazine has had no credibility for a long time.

 

[bboypuertoroc]

I am still wondering why everyone is blaming the tires on the Z for it being slower and not holding the Gs that the Supra does. Z tires = 240 treadwear. Supra tires = 280 treadwear. Typically (but not in all cases) the lower treadwear, the stickier the tire. The fact is, both cars come with terrible tires.

Because the Bridgestones are absolute trash compared to arguably the best street tire available. Take treadwear with a grain of salt, especially when it's a different manufacturer's tire.

 

[Blackbeard]

does all nissans line up come with bridge stones, maybe thats why they have a contract

 

[Evolution]

Because the Bridgestones are absolute trash compared to arguably the best street tire available. Take treadwear with a grain of salt, especially when it's a different manufacturer's tire.

Wait, are you saying the stock Supra tires are the best street tire out there? If so, I have to highly disagree with you. I have pirelli p zeros on one of my other cars and they are by far a better tire than the Supras, in every way.

 

[because_murica]

Wait, are you saying the stock Supra tires are the best street tire out there? If so, I have to highly disagree with you. I have pirelli p zeros on one of my other cars and they are by far a better tire than the Supras, in every way.

Yeaaaaaa, no. Sorry dawg, P Zeros are not that great. They are a far cry from the best street tire.

The stock tire on 5th gen Camaros was the PZero. Check out those forums for the truth. They're mediocre at best compared to the PS2s

 

[Eatonian49]

Continental ExtremeContact Sports would be another option too, yeah?

 

[because_murica]

Continental ExtremeContact Sports would be another option too, yeah?

Probably better than the 007s.

We should have an option for Cup 2s

 

[Eatonian49]

Cup 2s are damn pricey though xD less liveable outside the track I'd think.

 

[because_murica]

Cup 2s are damn pricey though xD less liveable outside the track I'd think.

Yes, but #racecar

 

[takemorepills]

does all nissans line up come with bridge stones, maybe thats why they have a contract

My Q60 came with Bridgestone tires, and they suck. I kept thinking there was something wrong with my car when I bought it, I kept taking it in for wandering. And, even though my Q60 is AWD, I could get it to do AWD burnout just by mashing the accelerator. Not gonna comment on handling, the car is a pig, no way around it.

Put Continental DWS06 on it, far better! And they're a winter optimized all season.

Anyways, I'm happy with the Z results.
However, the acceleration deficit and exhaust difference compared to the 9AT have me seriously reconsidering my 6MT preference

 

[trackratZ]

Probably better than the 007s.

We should have an option for Cup 2s

PSC2s came OEM on my PP2 GT and I still track them, great grip but don't last long and are NOT recommended for wet or icy conditions. Still better are the GY F1 Supercar 3Rs but those are very low treadwear with awesome grip, came on the ZL1 1LE. I guess we can always go nuts with tires...

 

[MHockey17]

I am still wondering why everyone is blaming the tires on the Z for it being slower and not holding the Gs that the Supra does. Z tires = 240 treadwear. Supra tires = 280 treadwear. Typically (but not in all cases) the lower treadwear, the stickier the tire. The fact is, both cars come with terrible tires.

As someone else mentioned here, treadwear is probably not a good metric to compare grip capability among tires; it’s just meant to measure relative rate of wear. You’d have to compare the quality of compound and tread pattern/contact patch between the two. It also seems like the PS4Ss get better reviews than S007s.

But regardless of the actual differences between the two tires, it’s clear from the driving reviews that Nissan’s selection is inadequate for the Z, with the wheel spin through first few gears on launches, constant squeal during cornering n braking, etc. The extra weight is also a factor in the difference in braking n cornering Gs, but I think a better tire would make a significant difference.

 

[because_murica]

PSC2s came OEM on my PP2 GT and I still track them, great grip but don't last long and are NOT recommended for wet or icy conditions. Still better are the GY F1 Supercar 3Rs but those are very low treadwear with awesome grip, came on the ZL1 1LE. I guess we can always go nuts with tires...

I have F1s on my 1LE. Scary shit in the wet though

 

[bboypuertoroc]

Wait, are you saying the stock Supra tires are the best street tire out there? If so, I have to highly disagree with you. I have pirelli p zeros on one of my other cars and they are by far a better tire than the Supras, in every way.

Supra comes with MPSS stock. P Zeros have no shot against MPSS. MPSS is arguably the best street tire in existence.

 

[BurninateZ]

Those results look good to me. It seems about right if you consider the supra is 10% more expensive, they chose to pit the 6MT Z against the auto Supra on pure numbers, and the known tyre difference.