So... who's still "all in"

[DevonK]

The so-called "twins" don't really drive like twins so much according to the few direct comparisons I've read. Toyota has gone for a stiffer rear end than Subie and as a result it has less initial understeer and the tail end can be swung out more easily. However you pay a price for this apparently - several reviewers have noted that the GR86 has a firmer, less compliant ride. OK most of the time but a bit brutal over really scarred pavement.

The main reason I am giving the GR86 a serious look as an alternative (besides the over-pricing of the performance trim IMO) has to with my driving environment - primarily heavily trafficked urban, occasional busy highway/freeway, and no ready access to windy "driver's roads". It's the old slow car fast vs fast car slow argument. I have read too many comments by owners/ ex-owners of higher-powered cars who get bored driving them in my kind of environment because they can never utilize anything close to their cars' maximum potential for more than a couple of seconds at a time without being in license-losing territory. Then they get in a Miata or BRZ and have more fun because its limits are low enough that it can be safely pushed.

If I lived in Nevada, or the sparsely-driven hills of California you always see in the driving reviews, or even did a lot of long-haul driving where comfort and noise were greater considerations then I'd be more inclined to go with the Z.

 

[indio22]

I spent $6.20 USD in gasoline yesterday. While in some areas that's not considered a lot, it was the most I've ever spent. I'd say it further gave pause to buying a new lower mpg car, and for driving in general.

Probably a more hardcore buyer, or person buying mainly for occasional use of a vehicle, might not care so much. But I'm wondering how the fuel prices will impact the greater market for vehicles of various types.

 

[because_murica]

I spent $6.20 USD in gasoline yesterday. While in some areas that's not considered a lot, it was the most I've ever spent. I'd say it further gave pause to buying a new lower mpg car, and for driving in general.

Probably a more hardcore buyer, or person buying mainly for occasional use of a vehicle, might not care so much. But I'm wondering how the fuel prices will impact the greater market for vehicles of various types.

I will likely never buy a full electric car unless they can sort out charging times and range with solid state batteries, however, I am in the market for a hybrid daily driver. After driving a friend's hybrid recently, I can't understand why hybrids aren't a bigger deal than full electric.

Hybrids are the best of both worlds with zero compromise. It's a shame that Nissan hasn't developed more hybrids. A hybrid Rogue and Pathfinder would do immensely well.

 

[TaroBaapG35]

I spent $6.20 USD in gasoline yesterday. While in some areas that's not considered a lot, it was the most I've ever spent. I'd say it further gave pause to buying a new lower mpg car, and for driving in general.

Probably a more hardcore buyer, or person buying mainly for occasional use of a vehicle, might not care so much. But I'm wondering how the fuel prices will impact the greater market for vehicles of various types.

As much as I'm against pushing for Tesla, I would say if bought at the right time it's a great investment especially considering gas prices...I've driven the car 4300 miles and have To date spent $155 to drive it. $100 is due to supercharging on 3 trips, but rest is at home charging. Nothing free. It costs me $4 to fill 220 miles, of which I get approx 200 of range.

 

[Denver the Last Dinosaur]

It costs me $4 to fill 220 miles

And about 10 hours every time (assuming nobody stupidly unplugs it) ... as against five minutes for petrol or diesel.

 

[Donalex]

And about 10 hours every time (assuming nobody stupidly unplugs it) ... as against five minutes for petrol or diesel.

Uh, usually overnight...?

 

[LZ23]

And about 10 hours every time (assuming nobody stupidly unplugs it) ... as against five minutes for petrol or diesel.

If there was an actual electric sports car that looked good for under 65k CAD it might change things.The Z is still good value. As of today the average price for a new car in Canada is 53.5K

 

[TaroBaapG35]

And about 10 hours every time (assuming nobody stupidly unplugs it) ... as against five minutes for petrol or diesel.

LOL..heyyyy...its only 6 hours. At night...TBH it works well 99% of the time, but one very drunken night my wife forgot to put the charger on before a trip the next morning..so had to spend a bit more $$ at Supercharger....$10, but can def understand the limitation...

 

[trackratZ]

As much as I'm against pushing for Tesla, I would say if bought at the right time it's a great investment especially considering gas prices...I've driven the car 4300 miles and have To date spent $155 to drive it. $100 is due to supercharging on 3 trips, but rest is at home charging. Nothing free. It costs me $4 to fill 220 miles, of which I get approx 200 of range.

EVs are great overall for commuting and local trips, no doubt about it. How are your tires holding up? Those are more consumables because of the heavier loads.

 

[bboypuertoroc]

EVs are great overall for commuting and local trips, no doubt about it. How are your tires holding up? Those are more consumables because of the heavier loads.

EV definitely wouldn't be my first choice for a long road trip. Around town is a different story. The more time I spend in my friends Model 3 the more I like it.

 

[TaroBaapG35]

EVs are great overall for commuting and local trips, no doubt about it. How are your tires holding up? Those are more consumables because of the heavier loads.

Only ~4400 miles thus far. So not bad at all. Worst thing about the car is the wind & road noise is much more apparent now as there is absolutely no other NVH. The car is a dream to take on trips. I took a MYP on a round trip to TN and it was much quieter (wind noise) but weight and road noise due to 21's wasn't so fun; plus less economical. I made the same trip to TN in my M3 LR and saved $15 in SC. But total cost was only $45 round trip

 

[NiZmonium]

I'm pretty much out at this point . I've even gotten used to the looks of the Z , and although it is sexy , it's not a total stunningly beautiful car.

I even think from watching many of the reviews that performance is only pretty good .

Almost everyone is saying the same thing - " the Z is like a refined and quicker 370z "

I just can't bring myself to drop $50k for the Z

 

[Go2ZZZ]

I'm pretty much out at this point . I've even gotten used to the looks of the Z , and although it is sexy , it's not a total stunningly beautiful car.

I even think from watching many of the reviews that performance is only pretty good .

Almost everyone is saying the same thing - " the Z is like a refined and quicker 370z "

I just can't bring myself to drop $50k for the Z

Just a get a sport model for 40k. It’s well worth it.

i don’t know who is telling you that the new z is refined. All the well known reviewers compared the 370 and new one have all said it’s a huge difference. Not just power the power but the suspension

given the world we live in and prices for things are, it’s not bad at all.

we all have to get used to the prices of things. It’s hard, I get it. But this is the new norm folks

 

[indio22]

I'm pretty much out at this point . I've even gotten used to the looks of the Z , and although it is sexy , it's not a total stunningly beautiful car.

I even think from watching many of the reviews that performance is only pretty good .

Almost everyone is saying the same thing - " the Z is like a refined and quicker 370z "

I just can't bring myself to drop $50k for the Z

Without some luck/connections, you'd probably be looking at higher than 50k anyway. At least the next year or two with USA ADMs.

I'd be more "in", if I thought there were a reasonable chance of getting a Sport Z for 41k in the near future, without engaging in a wild goose chase.

For now I'd just like to see some Zs finally delivered to other customers. To get an idea of actual sale costs and Nissan output levels.

 

[takemorepills]

Just a get a sport model for 40k. It’s well worth it.

Yeah right.

Weekly reminder:
Pandemic is still ongoing.
Basic-ass vehicles are seeing $5k-10k markups.