What tires will make this squirrely ass car behave?

[50thZ]

TY.good one

 

[VtVince]

All bets are off if you experience ANY snow. Then you will want all seasons. I'm not going to take mine out unless it's 40° and clear. Ask me how I know...
I went with Continental Extreme Contact Sport 2s and the difference was pretty amazing. Very grippy. Takes away that nagging concern of going slideways when you don't want to. I think the OEM Bridgestones are probably OK for warmer, drier places. Or if you want to do some automotive antics.

 

[Xylander]

All I'll say is that I've been dailying Hellcats, exclusively, for about 8 years prior to this Z. Not even my 1000hp 2020, or my 800hp 2023 were all that sketchy. That being said, I'm going to go on record here and talk about the "driver mod."

If a person is having trouble with a 400hp car with only 350-385 torque, then the problem isn't the tires. You could put a set of Uniroyal all seasons on this thing and I could launch it cleanly.The fact is, there comes a point when a car's power will overpower every tire on the market... and that starts in around 400hp or so. Doesn't matter if you have a drag radial or a spaghetti Pirrelli, stabbing the throttle from 0-100% instantly will cause the thing to break out, especially on a public street.

I will say that if you want the best tire recommendation from me, for street use, PS4AS. All day, nothing comes close 2nd. 60-70k mile tread life, handles at about 90% of the limit of the PS4S. PS4S is overall better in dry weather, but they only last 8-12k miles and a set of 4 is about $500 more expensive than the AS. I can cut mid 3 0-60s with the AS on public streets. When I go to the race track, I use track tires (PS4S, Cup 2 or GY Racing Eagles). And, I only get a couple track days out of a set of track tires. I don't bother with dailying on track tires. The PS4AS has a better grip rating than just about all other brands' summer tires. So, while they're not the absolute best, you won't find a better tire for the money. If you opt in for a PS4S, you'll go through 4 sets of tires before I blow 1 set. To me, that's $1,880 for a set of 4 AS in the Nismo size, or $2,530 for a set of 4 PS4S. By the time I need to replace my first set of AS tires, I would have spent 10 grand keeping the PS4S on the car... and the PS4AS is no slouch tire and I routinely track those too as my wet weather rain tires.

In summary, learn to roll into the power and pick the tire for the job, not to overcome driver mismangement. There is no tire that can rectify that. I also daily drove PS4AS on my Hellcats and had no issues with them whatsoever. If they're good enough for a 1,000whp/850 torque car, they're good enough for this Z of mine. Just stop smashing the pedal down like you're in a Camry and learn to roll on quickly, but smoothly. Unsettling jerky movements, at any speed, is never good and doing that gets worse the more powerful the car is. If I did that on my Hellcat, I'd have the bumper facing the wrong direction before I could shout, "WOAH!" If I do that in this car, it steps out a little. Heh. With just a little finesse, I have no issues at all on a Michelin all season... and there's a few Dark Horses around town that know full well what my bumper looks like.

 

[Drago86]

+1 to this. After installing the TruControl, the stock tires are seriously struggling and I'm not even driving it very hard. I had heard of folks saying the stock Potenza's are junk but after this, I'm definitely looking to sell the tires with the Performance rims at this point in favor of something else.

I agree that the PS4s are very good. I had a Genesis G70 before the Z and those were highly recommended.

I have the Blitz equivalent to the trucontrol and I've noticed that the boost hits HARD now. I think the stock ECU does some smoothing so that you don't see a huge torque spike when coming on boost, but since the trucontrol and blitz up the boost by lying to the computer it always thinks it's behind and the boost hits all at once, which seems to upset the car and break traction VERY easily.

 

[Resnort]

The tires....they are surprisingly sketchy considering the price point and size. Mine are now at 15,000 km and definitely not as good as they started.

I have zero issues in the wet compared to other less powerful cars I've owned for normal or faster than NPC traffic speeds, but once you put it on boost it wants to spin. Just drive to condition.

I Will definitely be going to the PS4S once these are done and very keen to see my track times before and after.

As for the plugin things.... no idea, not interested

 

[MattJ2020]

Seriously, try the Yokohama Advan V107.

It was those or the Michelin PS4S.

Really happy and confident with them. I'm looking for new wheels so for summer which is now in Aus... so the next season, I'm going to try out the Advan AD09 which is a semi-slick.

 

[kevinbonds]

I have the Blitz equivalent to the trucontrol and I've noticed that the boost hits HARD now. I think the stock ECU does some smoothing so that you don't see a huge torque spike when coming on boost, but since the trucontrol and blitz up the boost by lying to the computer it always thinks it's behind and the boost hits all at once, which seems to upset the car and break traction VERY easily.

Yes, this is the OP's issue, the plug-in controllers hit you with a huge boost spike, and it spins the wheels.

 

[Tranzor Z]

All I'll say is that I've been dailying Hellcats, exclusively, for about 8 years prior to this Z. Not even my 1000hp 2020, or my 800hp 2023 were all that sketchy. That being said, I'm going to go on record here and talk about the "driver mod."

If a person is having trouble with a 400hp car with only 350-385 torque, then the problem isn't the tires. You could put a set of Uniroyal all seasons on this thing and I could launch it cleanly.The fact is, there comes a point when a car's power will overpower every tire on the market... and that starts in around 400hp or so. Doesn't matter if you have a drag radial or a spaghetti Pirrelli, stabbing the throttle from 0-100% instantly will cause the thing to break out, especially on a public street.

I will say that if you want the best tire recommendation from me, for street use, PS4AS. All day, nothing comes close 2nd. 60-70k mile tread life, handles at about 90% of the limit of the PS4S. PS4S is overall better in dry weather, but they only last 8-12k miles and a set of 4 is about $500 more expensive than the AS. I can cut mid 3 0-60s with the AS on public streets. When I go to the race track, I use track tires (PS4S, Cup 2 or GY Racing Eagles). And, I only get a couple track days out of a set of track tires. I don't bother with dailying on track tires. The PS4AS has a better grip rating than just about all other brands' summer tires. So, while they're not the absolute best, you won't find a better tire for the money. If you opt in for a PS4S, you'll go through 4 sets of tires before I blow 1 set. To me, that's $1,880 for a set of 4 AS in the Nismo size, or $2,530 for a set of 4 PS4S. By the time I need to replace my first set of AS tires, I would have spent 10 grand keeping the PS4S on the car... and the PS4AS is no slouch tire and I routinely track those too as my wet weather rain tires.

In summary, learn to roll into the power and pick the tire for the job, not to overcome driver mismangement. There is no tire that can rectify that. I also daily drove PS4AS on my Hellcats and had no issues with them whatsoever. If they're good enough for a 1,000whp/850 torque car, they're good enough for this Z of mine. Just stop smashing the pedal down like you're in a Camry and learn to roll on quickly, but smoothly. Unsettling jerky movements, at any speed, is never good and doing that gets worse the more powerful the car is. If I did that on my Hellcat, I'd have the bumper facing the wrong direction before I could shout, "WOAH!" If I do that in this car, it steps out a little. Heh. With just a little finesse, I have no issues at all on a Michelin all season... and there's a few Dark Horses around town that know full well what my bumper looks like.

I've driven fast shit my entire life. 500 hp mustangs, etc. No car has ever been as sketchy as this one. The car is downright dangerous and yes I am to blame because of my mods but I still expect a tire to do the damn job.

If you read my post, I don't have 400 hp. Going sideways in 2nd gear at 50 mph is a serious problem. As posted above, I had great success using the G2's and that's probably what I'll switch to. Warm or cold potenzas don't matter. Obviously these tires are trash as many people have agreed to on here in the comments. Which is fine, but don't charge a premium for junk ass tires that don't hook.

 

[Xylander]

I've driven fast shit my entire life. 500 hp mustangs, etc. No car has ever been as sketchy as this one. The car is downright dangerous and yes I am to blame because of my mods but I still expect a tire to do the damn job.

If you read my post, I don't have 400 hp. Going sideways in 2nd gear at 50 mph is a serious problem. As posted above, I had great success using the G2's and that's probably what I'll switch to. Warm or cold potenzas don't matter. Obviously these tires are trash as many people have agreed to on here in the comments. Which is fine, but don't charge a premium for junk ass tires that don't hook.

All you said is you had a Trucontrol... which honestly is just a piggyback tuner good for something like 50-80hp or so.

So, as I said above, it's not the tire. I don't mean to poke at you, but I'm also a racing instructor and if a car is going "sideways" at 450-480hp... it's rarely the tire's fault (assuming said tire is the right size, inflated properly, mounted correctly and isn't worn out). This is a Nissan, I had to bring that up because #stancedlife is a thing.

Now, if you're all about straight line speed, the Z isn't really set up for it in factory trim. You need a setup more like an American style F/RD car. Soften the rear suspension if possible, but if you just want to play around with tires, softer + taller sidewalls make for better traction control on straight surfaces. I honestly don't know what sizes fit without Googling it, so you can look that up if you're curious. At the stock tire size, I'm a Michelin fanboy for life. PS4S for summer if you don't daily the car. If it's a daily, be like me and run the PSAS4 (or the 5 if it's available). In addition, you can add more control on the rear by running as near to 0 camber as possible to maximize the traction patch size. But, the more you configure the car for straight line speed, the more control you lose in turning. If you just want to blast it straight down the road, there's nothing preventing you from putting a Mustang-like build in the car. Soften the rear end, up tire it, square the rear end alignment, voila. Side effect would also be a much softer/smoother ride.

The only thing I can think of is, if your car isn't a Performance or a Nismo, then you don't have an LSD... and then yeah, I can see how breaking out in a 1-wheel peel can make the car do horrible things. If that's the case, I'd upgrade that. It would change your life.

 

[Tranzor Z]

All you said is you had a Trucontrol... which honestly is just a piggyback tuner good for something like 50-80hp or so.

So, as I said above, it's not the tire. I don't mean to poke at you, but I'm also a racing instructor and if a car is going "sideways" at 450-480hp... it's rarely the tire's fault (assuming said tire is the right size, inflated properly, mounted correctly and isn't worn out). This is a Nissan, I had to bring that up because #stancedlife is a thing.

Now, if you're all about straight line speed, the Z isn't really set up for it in factory trim. You need a setup more like an American style F/RD car. Soften the rear suspension if possible, but if you just want to play around with tires, softer + taller sidewalls make for better traction control on straight surfaces. I honestly don't know what sizes fit without Googling it, so you can look that up if you're curious. At the stock tire size, I'm a Michelin fanboy for life. PS4S for summer if you don't daily the car. If it's a daily, be like me and run the PSAS4 (or the 5 if it's available). In addition, you can add more control on the rear by running as near to 0 camber as possible to maximize the traction patch size. But, the more you configure the car for straight line speed, the more control you lose in turning. If you just want to blast it straight down the road, there's nothing preventing you from putting a Mustang-like build in the car. Soften the rear end, up tire it, square the rear end alignment, voila. Side effect would also be a much softer/smoother ride.

The only thing I can think of is, if your car isn't a Performance or a Nismo, then you don't have an LSD... and then yeah, I can see how breaking out in a 1-wheel peel can make the car do horrible things. If that's the case, I'd upgrade that. It would change your life.

Wtf you mean it's not the tire? It absolutely is. A nitto G2 would never do this shit to me.

 

[VtVince]

Mines a Performance and after a few unintentional fishtails at on ramps and one time passing at 50 MPH I started looking for ways to fix it. The new sway bars really helped and I probably could have held off on the next steps until I needed new rubber, but I bought the Continentals and that improved things even more. The car behaves like I expected it to when I bought it. I think we all wanted Nismo-like handling.
So what I'm saying is maybe with the softer suspension compared to the Nismo and the OEM Potenzas compared to OEM Dunlops, the reviewers and owners might have a valid point. And if we swapped wheel sets between models the Nismo would still handle well and the Dunlops on the Performance would still grip better.
That would be a cool experiment!

 

[Mugzilla]

For y'all with the Sport, myself and @Who.Am.Eye.2716 recommend the Continental DWS06s.

Went with 245/45r18 up front, and 275/40r18 in the rear. Stock sport rims recommend no wider than 275s.

If you check tire rack, and compare the conti summer performance tires and these, the numbers are very similar, and you can drive in colder weather.

Here's my thread:

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/t...s-on-them-solved-with-conti-dws06-tires.5774/

 

[Katum68]

435 RWHP on my 2024 Z Performance and Michelin pilot sport 4S work great like they did on my 512RWHP 2009 370Z (Twin Turbos) .

 

[ZMidlife]

Mines a Performance and after a few unintentional fishtails at on ramps and one time passing at 50 MPH I started looking for ways to fix it. The new sway bars really helped and I probably could have held off on the next steps until I needed new rubber, but I bought the Continentals and that improved things even more. The car behaves like I expected it to when I bought it. I think we all wanted Nismo-like handling.
So what I'm saying is maybe with the softer suspension compared to the Nismo and the OEM Potenzas compared to OEM Dunlops, the reviewers and owners might have a valid point. And if we swapped wheel sets between models the Nismo would still handle well and the Dunlops on the Performance would still grip better.
That would be a cool experiment!

I run the nismo dunlops on the performance. Outside of cold tires or wet conditions its absolutely a great upgrade

 

[Apex_Z]

Wtf you mean it's not the tire? It absolutely is. A nitto G2 would never do this shit to me.

There are people who are able to comfortably keep the car on the edge of traction, and are able to control it when it spins the tires. They understand how to drive the car on the limit of whatever tire is on the car without it getting "squirrely".