This Seems Like A Pretty Fair Assessment Of The Z From Car and Driver

[NiZmonium]

Yet again, it's NOT a "track car" and was never intended to be a "track car", like every other Z before it. Neither is the Supra or basically every other sports car made by street-level manufacturers. That's why motor sport people modify the cars.

What some fools what to delude themselves with is up to them. Likely the same fools who whine about the 86/BRZ being "under-powered" because they have no clue what the car was made for.

The fact that the Z would perform poorly at the track at it's price point of $52k for the Performance model really just emphasizes the lack of value

How much is the Nismo variant going to cost ? $65k ?

The bottom line is that for how much the Z costs , it's not that great

 

[takemorepills]

Wow, you guys (sorry, did I offend anyone with incorrect pronoun usage??) are SALTY.

Please spread the word on how much a failure the new Z is so I don't have to face-down $10K ADMs. Maybe if y'all can get enough people to agree that the new Z is a "failure" we'll only need to pay a $5K Chinese pandemic tax....yup...let'em know! The new Z sucks...

 

[NiZmonium]

Wow, you guys (sorry, did I offend anyone with incorrect pronoun usage??) are SALTY.

Please spread the word on how much a failure the new Z is so I don't have to face-down $10K ADMs. Maybe if y'all can get enough people to agree that the new Z is a "failure" we'll only need to pay a $5K Chinese pandemic tax....yup...let'em know! The new Z sucks...

The Z isn't a failure - it's just overpriced. I guess if not wanting to pay $52k for a Z makes me salty in your opinion , then so be it.

I have personally stated several times that I think the Z is an excellent vehicle , just like the 370Z and G37.

But the huge difference is the excellent value of the 370Z.

I would have no problem spending $40k to $45k on a Z , and then spending another $5k to $10k on mods down the road

 

[West Aussie]

The Z isn't a failure - it's just overpriced. I guess if not wanting to pay $52k for a Z makes me salty in your opinion , then so be it.

I have personally stated several times that I think the Z is an excellent vehicle , just like the 370Z and G37.

But the huge difference is the excellent value of the 370Z.

I would have no problem spending $40k to $45k on a Z , and then spending another $5k to $10k on mods down the road

But what are you basing it on…I mean what else can you buy in that price range….in Australia you could get the MX5 for 15k cheaper, or an 86 for quite a bit cheaper…but neither match the Z, and the 86 will be as common as muck.

The Aussies price is 80-84K on road for the coupe
You guys are getting a bargain

 

[takemorepills]

The Z isn't a failure - it's just overpriced. I guess if not wanting to pay $52k for a Z makes me salty in your opinion , then so be it.

I have personally stated several times that I think the Z is an excellent vehicle , just like the 370Z and G37.

But the huge difference is the excellent value of the 370Z.

I would have no problem spending $40k to $45k on a Z , and then spending another $5k to $10k on mods down the road

I think we are just seeing things from differing viewpoints.
You, obviously, are going by metrics/$.
Me, I'm going by emotion/$.

I. don't. care. About Mustangs, Camaros or BMWs masquerading as a Toyota.
I want a certain type of car, that at least is "in the ballpark". For example, I kind of liked the previous Z, but it really needs boost. So, in that case, I'd be looking at $30K-$35K for a decent starter Z, and then another $20K for boost. Then comes the issues. Or, I could say a new Toyobaru twin would be nice. With boost (that's just me) and again, we'd be talking about a $30K car that needs $15K-$20K in boost (ignoring the fact the new Toyobarus don't have a boost option yet).

If I was OK with German, the Supra or M240 would be my best bet.

Nope. I want a 2 seat Japanese car with twin hair dryers. There's only one game in town in 2022. And for $41K to start, even at $54K, I consider it a good deal. That's just me. I've wasted too much money on boosting NA cars, or upping the boost on FI cars, or just getting into the weeds on FBO NA cars that I consider a Nissan that traps 116mph for $41K a great deal.
I'll take it.

I also happen to much prefer the Z interior over any other car. Toyobaru twins being a close 2nd, but I prefer 2 seat hatch every day (yup, I would consider a C7 if prices weren't ridonks)

 

[NiZmonium]

I think we are just seeing things from differing viewpoints.
You, obviously, are going by metrics/$.
Me, I'm going by emotion/$.

I. don't. care. About Mustangs, Camaros or BMWs masquerading as a Toyota.
I want a certain type of car, that at least is "in the ballpark". For example, I kind of liked the previous Z, but it really needs boost. So, in that case, I'd be looking at $30K-$35K for a decent starter Z, and then another $20K for boost. Then comes the issues. Or, I could say a new Toyobaru twin would be nice. With boost (that's just me) and again, we'd be talking about a $30K car that needs $15K-$20K in boost (ignoring the fact the new Toyobarus don't have a boost option yet).

If I was OK with German, the Supra or M240 would be my best bet.

Nope. I want a 2 seat Japanese car with twin hair dryers. There's only one game in town in 2022. And for $41K to start, even at $54K, I consider it a good deal. That's just me. I've wasted too much money on boosting NA cars, or upping the boost on FI cars, or just getting into the weeds on FBO NA cars that I consider a Nissan that traps 116mph for $41K a great deal.
I'll take it.

I also happen to much prefer the Z interior over any other car. Toyobaru twins being a close 2nd, but I prefer 2 seat hatch every day (yup, I would consider a C7 if prices weren't ridonks)

I like and share your logic.

It is true - The Z is a twin turboed Japanese sports coupe , which will be completely warranteed .

I also never would consider adding an aftermarket turbo to an NA car . No matter how perfect the install is , you almost always will have to make adjustments . And even worse , no factory warranty .

I'm already on the waiting list for a C8 , and if I wasn't I would probably get back on the Z train, regardless of the $52k price tag

 

[rocksandblues]

Yet again, it's NOT a "track car" and was never intended to be a "track car", like every other Z before it. Neither is the Supra or basically every other sports car made by street-level manufacturers. That's why motor sport people modify the cars.

What some fools what to delude themselves with is up to them. Likely the same fools who whine about the 86/BRZ being "under-powered" because they have no clue what the car was made for.

I am not a Toyota fan boi (BMW actually) and NOT a Z hater. Think it is awesome they are bringing back a name plate in Manual and handsome design actually.

BUT, the Supra is a wicked track car right out of the box and bone stock. I benchmarked mine before mods. The ONLY thing it needs to track competently and competitively every single day is $50 in brake fluid and $500-800 in brake pads.

I remain excited to see Z on track and what people do with them. Bring on the fun and nonsense and lets shred some tires and consumables.

 

[siggy]

Accountants have their place, but it should never be one of leadership, only management. Unfortunately the two roles are very different and good managers don't always make good leaders. When designing a "halo" car for the brand, leadership needs to be given more weight. This isn't a base sedan or SUV. Its a 50 year historical-nameplate-everymans dream car.

I'm starting to consider other vehicles than the Z. Accountants are a big part of the problem. In Canada I can't get the proper larger screen with navigation on the performance trim. The exhaust for the manual sounds as aggressive as a Maxima. The tires are okay, but not the best. The suspension isn't adjustable. The car is really beautiful, and as far as exterior design goes they nailed it. It's the details that seem to fall a little short.

When Ford, Chevy, and Toyota all offer push button suspension adjustment, better tires, similar or better horsepower, etc. it is clear that the accounting managers at Nissan had too much influence. This isn't a mass produced vehicle that will be sold to families, fleets, etc. It's a special niche vehicle that made its mark by being better than the competition at the time it was first released in 1969, for a fair price.

An accountant should never be in leadership? Wow. That's funny. You should see my office...

The reason the Z doesn't come equipped as you'd like is because Nissan is on the brink of non existence. They have no money. It doesn't take a Harvard accounting grad to figure out how much money you have in your bank account.

Still no one has yet to refute my Boeing example. I guess we can just overlook when an engineer at the helm kills 346 people...What do you have for me there?

 

[takemorepills]

Still no one has yet to refute my Boeing example. I guess we can just overlook when an engineer at the helm kills 346 people...What do you have for me there?

I'm part of the Boeing family, and happen to live a rocks throw from the Everett plant.

Your characterization of the MAX issue is flawed and overly simplified.

In an organization as bureaucratic as Boeing, there's plenty of blame to go around, and nearly impossible to pin the issue on one person or specific group.

Nissan and Boeing aren't the same.

 

[Houston.RZ34]

The Z itself is a fine car, it's just simply not worth what they are asking.

Had they priced it fairly, I'm sure the world over would have turned a blind eye to the shortcomings because they can all be solved via aftermarket (except for the lack of mag ride......which I don't mind personally)

 

[StrikeS30]

95% of the people buying this will probably not even go to a track with the car. So, I'm not sure why a handful of people are so bent out of shape over keyboard racing the cars. I guess it's still a thing in the online forum world.

I'm buying one because it's a Z. and I have a passion for Z's This car will be my 6th Z car.
None of them are fast by any means. Hell, half of mine are "on jack stands". They're great little cars. Fun, reasonably reliable, get tons of looks, sparks conversations, makes friendships and relationships with people. It's an enthusiast kind of thing. Not always about which car makes .003 more lateral g's.

 

[Freewill]

I'm part of the Boeing family, and happen to live a rocks throw from the Everett plant.

Your characterization of the MAX issue is flawed and overly simplified.

In an organization as bureaucratic as Boeing, there's plenty of blame to go around, and nearly impossible to pin the issue on one person or specific group.

Nissan and Boeing aren't the same.

Exactly correct. I've got pilot's endorsements on B737Max, as well as B767, B787, and B777, not to mention AIrbus 319/320/321, Embraer 175/190 as well as several regional jets and numerous turboprops.

The issues relating to the Max were not the result of an engineer trying to build what's best, but of an accounting group trying to keep training costs to a minimum by adapting an old air frame from the 1960's to allow for a common endorsement with a 'new' air plane. I loved flying the Max and it is an extremely safe airplane, but it isn't Boeing's best work when compared to the others I've flown from that manufacturer. To put the deaths on a single engineer as siggy suggests is to bury one's head deep in the sand. That airplane wasn't built to be an innovating leader in the market, it was built to provide an inexpensive alternative to the more popular, and better engineered airplane from AIrbus, the 320NEO.

 

[trackratZ]

I'm buying one because it's a Z. and I have a passion for Z's This car will be my 6th Z car.
None of them are fast by any means. Hell, half of mine are "on jack stands". They're great little cars. Fun, reasonably reliable, get tons of looks, sparks conversations, makes friendships and relationships with people. It's an enthusiast kind of thing. Not always about which car makes .003 more lateral g's.

This might be the only reason left why I'm still active here. Owned 4 Zs before and my current one, plus an Infiniti. Basically down to Nissan/Datsun's sports car heritage including motorsports. Sure it won't be the best performing at the price range but heck nowadays in the current market any performance car with 400+ hp will be $40K and up. No bargains anymore, Nissan has to cut corners.

 

[West Aussie]

But prices on new cars are going up across the board.
The BRZ for example, was 32k last time round. The new model has arrived and is costing 45k on road ,..is a comparable increase to the Z

 

[West Aussie]

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That must be an AU market thing, because in the USA the price increases of BRZ/GR86 have been more manageable. No telling what the future holds though.

only know because my older son is looking at buying a new car and selling his commodore …which is in excellent condition, but chews through petrol