The Z will be in dealers by May 2022? / Just heard from my dealer - first allocations arriving in May

[takemorepills]

Exactly this.

If your dealer just told you the first allocations will be "limited production" and they also told you they won't have any markups that doesn't even logically make sense, especially in today's market. Anyone who wants the car bad enough will pay extra to get it first and your spot in line isn't going to mean jack shit if Joe Billy comes along saying he'll pay $5k extra.

Also does anyone truly believe a US dealer today would let anyone have one of the first cars for MSRP? If I was a dealer here's what I would do:
- Take delivery of the first allocations and mark them up
- Go down my dealership "reservation list" letting each person who put a deposit down know that the car is here and this is the price if you want it come get it in the next few days or we're going to the next person in line
- If no one on the "reservation list" wants the car because of the markup or whatever other reason, simply list it online and wait a week to see if it sells for the additionally ADM
- If a week comes and it hasn't moved, lower it $1k-2k and repeat.
- The first couple batches of cars will be sold within a month of delivery no question.

These first couple batches of Zs will be the easiest profits made for most dealerships. Any dealership not taking advantage of this is either the nicest dealership in the world or they don't understand basic economic supply and demand.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news and honestly at this point it really shouldn't even be news to any of us in the US, but it just doesn't financially or logically make sense to not mark up these cars right now. Simple as that.

Sad but true. And as a hypothetical salesperson, you'd be able to keep a Z in the showroom

 

[Sanfrantodd]

Nissan just notified my dealer officially that first allocations are arriving to him in May.

Finally!!

I'm also first on the list!

Thats so awesome . I hope they don't hit you with crazy mark ups .

 

[West Aussie]

Exactly this.

If your dealer just told you the first allocations will be "limited production" and they also told you they won't have any markups that doesn't even logically make sense, especially in today's market. Anyone who wants the car bad enough will pay extra to get it first and your spot in line isn't going to mean jack shit if Joe Billy comes along saying he'll pay $5k extra.

Also does anyone truly believe a US dealer today would let anyone have one of the first cars for MSRP? If I was a dealer here's what I would do:
- Take delivery of the first allocations and mark them up
- Go down my dealership "reservation list" letting each person who put a deposit down know that the car is here and this is the price if you want it come get it in the next few days or we're going to the next person in line
- If no one on the "reservation list" wants the car because of the markup or whatever other reason, simply list it online and wait a week to see if it sells for the additionally ADM
- If a week comes and it hasn't moved, lower it $1k-2k and repeat.
- The first couple batches of cars will be sold within a month of delivery no question.

These first couple batches of Zs will be the easiest profits made for most dealerships. Any dealership not taking advantage of this is either the nicest dealership in the world or they don't understand basic economic supply and demand.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news and honestly at this point it really shouldn't even be news to any of us in the US, but it just doesn't financially or logically make sense to not mark up these cars right now. Simple as that.

All I’m going to say…is when I told you pre orders had happened in Aus, you pretty much said the same thing…Nissan US biggest market, no way have you got a contract or a deal, it means nothing…when we did have contracts
Now Canada are also in the same boat.

Why do you want to rain on someone’s parade…maybe just maybe this dealer is the real thing, maybe he has a conscious and is doing the right thing.

Time will tell, but I chose to see the positives and believe @bybepl dealer is doing the right thing.

For my mind anyone willing to pay 5k from another dealer before they have even seen what’s happening at this dealer could well be shutting the door on a fantastic opportunity ….others are saying they have written guarantee of 1k mark up .
bybepl has given good reason as to why his dealer may be making such a promise, largest dealer in an area where the car will not get much use and somewhere where people can not afford to buy a fancy car that’s not their daily drive
To me it makes sense.

As I said, time will tell…but for now can we nit just be happy fir someone instead of making them feel bad for sharing their good news

 

[indio22]

All I’m going to say…is when I told you pre orders had happened in Aus, you pretty much said the same thing…Nissan US biggest market, no way have you got a contract or a deal, it means nothing…when we did have contracts
Now Canada are also in the same boat.

Why do you want to rain on someone’s parade…maybe just maybe this dealer is the real thing, maybe he has a conscious and is doing the right thing.

Time will tell, but I chose to see the positives and believe @bybepl dealer is doing the right thing.

For my mind anyone willing to pay 5k from another dealer before they have even seen what’s happening at this dealer could well be shutting the door on a fantastic opportunity ….others are saying they have written guarantee of 1k mark up .
bybepl has given good reason as to why his dealer may be making such a promise, largest dealer in an area where the car will not get much use and somewhere where people can not afford to buy a fancy car that’s not their daily drive
To me it makes sense.

As I said, time will tell…but for now can we nit just be happy fir someone instead of making them feel bad for sharing their good news

The OP mentions having a decade long relationship with the particular dealer. If the OP has been a long time customer spending money at the dealership, it's quite possible the dealership sees overall value in only charging MSRP. Hopefully it works out.

My experience in the Chicagoland area is the dealerships/salespersons can be sharks. As a buyer, you got to be on your game. I bought my first ever new car the January prior to when COVID blew up. It was an "interesting" experience. I got the car for the price I wanted, but it took several hours of messing around at the dealership to get my price. Fortunately, I had read up on all the mistakes customers make when buying, and the tactics used to wear down or mislead customers.

And even at the final signing of the agreed price, they tried to slip in a $400 VIN etching charge. At least in my area, you really got to watch for various hijinks.

My buddy is not so good with money, with a very non-confrontational personality, and he regularly gets taken to the cleaners when buying cars. He basically should never enter a car dealership, without a chaperone, lol. The way I look at it, my savings as a more hard bargaining customer, makes up for the extra paid by some other customers.

The Australia method of generally paying a set MSPR has merit, and would help some folks. Although probably it would cause me to pay more in normal times.

 

[Donalex]

The Australia method of generally paying a set MSPR has merit, and would help some folks. Although probably it would cause me to pay more in normal times.

CARMAX is like that, no negotiation. So is CARVANA. And yes, you'll pay more...

CARVANA has a 2011 Nissan Cube with 99k miles - for $13,995. ?

 

[Tdog87]

The Australia method of generally paying a set MSPR has merit, and would help some folks. Although probably it would cause me to pay more in normal times.

Hey indio22 I tried to clear this assumption up in the Ask a Nissan Salesman thread.

We don't pay more than MSRP ie their is no ADM in Australia., however that doesn't mean we generally pay MSRP for cars here.

You still negotiate with dealers and it is not uncommon to get decent amounts off the MSRP with 10-20% generally fairly easy to achieve.

Obviously current market conditions have made discounts a lot harder to achieve just like everywhere else but once the market goes back to normal it will once again be an open market for negotiations,

 

[Andaesthetics]

All I’m going to say…is when I told you pre orders had happened in Aus, you pretty much said the same thing…Nissan US biggest market, no way have you got a contract or a deal, it means nothing…when we did have contracts
Now Canada are also in the same boat.

Why do you want to rain on someone’s parade…maybe just maybe this dealer is the real thing, maybe he has a conscious and is doing the right thing.

Time will tell, but I chose to see the positives and believe @bybepl dealer is doing the right thing.

For my mind anyone willing to pay 5k from another dealer before they have even seen what’s happening at this dealer could well be shutting the door on a fantastic opportunity ….others are saying they have written guarantee of 1k mark up .
bybepl has given good reason as to why his dealer may be making such a promise, largest dealer in an area where the car will not get much use and somewhere where people can not afford to buy a fancy car that’s not their daily drive
To me it makes sense.

As I said, time will tell…but for now can we nit just be happy fir someone instead of making them feel bad for sharing their good news

Well I originally said that because initially, Nissan stated that the Z would not be available for pre-order. They posted it all over their social medias and multiple Nissan representatives said it in interviews/videos months ago right after the production unveiling. This is before the AUS/CAN pre-orders took place. Now, we know this info apparently was only applicable to the US market. So given that info, I personally would assume any dealer trying to take a preorder deposit is just trying to pull the wool over your eyes. As far as other countries go we see they're doing allocations different, which I can only assume is because they want to see exactly how much demand there is so they can properly allocate cars to those countries, which is smart and I commend Nissan for doing the reservation systems in AUS and now in CAN.

I'm just telling it how I see it and from what I've been seeing the last 2 years here in the US is nonstop dealer markups, ESPECIALLY on new cars that have a lot of hype behind them. And yes people are paying these absurd markups, which is part of the reason why they still aren't going down. So it wouldn't be unusual at all for someone with extra money and enough desperation to throw thousands of $ extra to get one of the first new Zs.

Not raining on anyone's parade or trying to make anyone feel bad, just being realistic.

 

[West Aussie]

Hey indio22 I tried to clear this assumption up in the Ask a Nissan Salesman thread.

We don't pay more than MSRP ie their is no ADM in Australia., however that doesn't mean we generally pay MSRP for cars here.

You still negotiate with dealers and it is not uncommon to get decent amounts off the MSRP with 10-20% generally fairly easy to achieve.

Obviously current market conditions have made discounts a lot harder to achieve just like everywhere else but once the market goes back to normal it will once again be an open market for negotiations,

Exactly.… Dealers can not charge more than MSRP….but they can charge less if the market is slow, or there is a run out model, or end of financial year, or sometimes even if it’s the end of the month and dealers are trying to just sell one more car to tip them over into bonus territory where the loss on the car would be more than recovered with the bonus
But we are assured of a cost that can not be exceeded

 

[jdm-rhd]

Exactly.… Dealers can not charge more than MSRP….but they can charge less if the market is slow, or there is a run out model, or end of financial year, or sometimes even if it’s the end of the month and dealers are trying to just sell one more car to tip them over into bonus territory where the loss on the car would be more than recovered with the bonus
But we are assured of a cost that can not be exceeded

what $ in aus is $40k usd?
and did your dealer say your msrp may be?

 

[West Aussie]

what $ in aus is $40k usd?
and did your dealer say your msrp may be?

40k is around 55k in Aus…dealer said 70k ….BUT that doesn’t tell the whole story, as it’s our governments taxes that make up the majority of the difference, and this does include onroad costs such as registration, in itself that can be 1k, then in WA we also have an extra $500 for insurance that’s included ( it’s not normal insurance, this gets put in the state coffers to support people who are injured by people with no insurance) believe it or not, it costs more to ship a car to Aus than Japan for two reasons. One we are importing far fewer at a time but more importantly, because our warf workers are always in strike to get more pay…again believe it or not but warf workers can earn 172k a year, that’s gotta be close to the best rates in the world I reckon
Traditionally new cars were more expensive here due to tariffs and taxes designed to protect the local automotive industry, as we could not produce cars at the same low price as other countries due to the wage difference, however we no longer make any motor vehicles anymore (because they couldn’t stay competitive) yet the taxes remain.
Luxury car tax for example is 33% of every dollar after 65k I believe
believe me when I say…the difference is very minimal if it was not for our government

Further proof of this can be seen in the Canadian market, their predicted costs seem to be on par with yours, yet they also have no dealer mark ups. Japan market is the most expensive of them all and they make the cars there!

One of the biggest factors is our average salaries compared to yours…yours being 56k Aus being 67k and your minim wage is around $15 an hour , ours is $20.
so cost of living is different
Surprisingly though Aus is one of the cheapest places to run a car
https://www.scrapcarcomparison.co.uk/blog/cheapest-country-to-own-a-car/

guess what I’m saying is it’s not as easy as a quick conversion, because there are a lot of factors in place that influence our cost of living particularly where imports are concerned
here is an article on it…it’s a bit old (2015) but still rings true

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/why-australians-pay-too-much-for-cars-55185

EDIT…also forgot to mention a point that comes up in the article…fewer cars are made for the Australian/Japanese market…especially with the Z because of RHD, making it more expensive to produce

 

[siggy]

Did I miss it or did the OP mention the name of the dealership? Guessing not as it probably “risks” his MSRP deal. Some person said some dealership is getting some Z some time in May. Nothing official from Nissan and even if it is, there is an extremely high likelihood of delays.

 

[jdm-rhd]

40k is around 55k in Aus…dealer said 70k ….BUT that doesn’t tell the whole story, as it’s our governments taxes that make up the majority of the difference, and this does include onroad costs such as registration, in itself that can be 1k, then in WA we also have an extra $500 for insurance that’s included ( it’s not normal insurance, this gets put in the state coffers to support people who are injured by people with no insurance) believe it or not, it costs more to ship a car to Aus than Japan for two reasons. One we are importing far fewer at a time but more importantly, because our warf workers are always in strike to get more pay…again believe it or not but warf workers can earn 172k a year, that’s gotta be close to the best rates in the world I reckon
Traditionally new cars were more expensive here due to tariffs and taxes designed to protect the local automotive industry, as we could not produce cars at the same low price as other countries due to the wage difference, however we no longer make any motor vehicles anymore (because they couldn’t stay competitive) yet the taxes remain.
Luxury car tax for example is 33% of every dollar after 65k I believe
believe me when I say…the difference is very minimal if it was not for our government

Further proof of this can be seen in the Canadian market, their predicted costs seem to be on par with yours, yet they also have no dealer mark ups. Japan market is the most expensive of them all and they make the cars there!

One of the biggest factors is our average salaries compared to yours…yours being 56k Aus being 67k and your minim wage is around $15 an hour , ours is $20.
so cost of living is different
Surprisingly though Aus is one of the cheapest places to run a car
https://www.scrapcarcomparison.co.uk/blog/cheapest-country-to-own-a-car/

guess what I’m saying is it’s not as easy as a quick conversion, because there are a lot of factors in place that influence our cost of living particularly where imports are concerned
here is an article on it…it’s a bit old (2015) but still rings true

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/why-australians-pay-too-much-for-cars-55185

EDIT…also forgot to mention a point that comes up in the article…fewer cars are made for the Australian/Japanese market…especially with the Z because of RHD, making it more expensive to produce

yeah...that's a huge difference between our countries. btw our minimum wage in texas is $7.25p/h with waitresses/waiters paid less because of tips. with the crazy inflation companies have uped the pay because they can't find people to work.

 

[takemorepills]

Did I miss it or did the OP mention the name of the dealership? Guessing not as it probably “risks” his MSRP deal. Some person said some dealership is getting some Z some time in May. Nothing official from Nissan and even if it is, there is an extremely high likelihood of delays.

I don't think there will be "delays", my opinion is we'll just be seeing very low production numbers.

 

[LuisM350z]

Guys.

Not all dealers are the same. Find a reputable dealer like I did. And yes, I do have MSRP commitment in writing.

What dealer if you don't mind me asking I live in the north Chicago area and wanna see if I can get a reservation.

 

[siggy]

I don't think there will be "delays", my opinion is we'll just be seeing very low production numbers.

Oh there will be delays. There always are. Otherwise there would be no need for a PR department ?

I just find it ironic the OP is saying to find good dealers but doesn’t mention his or hers. If it’s a good dealer, it shouldn’t be a secret. Take for example Granger Ford. There are no secrets they’re offering 2% under invoice for Mach 1’s and Broncos. They plaster it all over the various forums. The demand for the Bronco was and is exponentially higher than the Z.