A Great Conversation with Dan Passe on 2023 Nissan Z [Specs, Release, Pricing]

[Blackbeard]

lol even though i said he wouldnt really tell us the truth if it was yea F u guys we are going to nail u for as much as we can .. throw up some middle finge and walk away lol

 

[takemorepills]

lol even thought i said be he wouldnt really tell us the truth if it was yea F u guys we are going to nail u for as much as we can .. throw up some middle finge and walk away lol

Sometimes, it's better to tell the truth

 

[Kbl911]

Semantics.
"Demand" is probably what you meant (or what I believe it should be)
"Sales" is how many units of something are sold.

I just don't agree that you can call something "strong sales" when production is way under demand. Even Nissan would like to sell as many Z's as possible, at the right price, if anything just to say that they "win" in some sales metric.

I'm just trying to point out, not necessarily you, but many people are postulating about these things whilst seemingly not considering the actual conditions we have been in.

That's okay, you don't have to agree. It's not that I can't see the semantic point you're making.

Right, I can see now that the comment likely wasn't even pointed at me since it doesn't directly relate to what I was driving at.

 

[therumblewagon]

"Mr. Non Committal Dan Passe"?

Gonna stop ya right there. I know we're all frustrated at the continued lack of details, myself included, but Dan doesn't HAVE to continue to sign on here and reply to us whenever he has time, or has news to share. Nor does @McLovin157 HAVE to continue to sign on here, in his situation to provide insights into the dealer side of things and what he's able to pry out of the corporate overlords. I think it's a fair assumption, and beyond that, certain both have said as much, they're both doing it because they care—about the community and, of course, the car. I agree that the process has been less than ideal, I know I've said it as well, but I don't think either of them should be the target of our ire.

As someone who also works in an industry where discretion is SOP, I get why Dan is not sharing everything now. Yes, subjectively speaking it sucks, but objectively speaking its his livelihood at risk. It's also very possible there are a lot of things that have yet to be worked out! So, in turn, there's nothing to share. We don't know.

 

[takemorepills]

Gonna stop ya right there. I know we're all frustrated at the continued lack of details, myself included, but Dan doesn't HAVE to continue to sign on here and reply to us whenever he has time, or has news to share. Nor does @McLovin157 HAVE to continue to sign on here, in his situation to provide insights into the dealer side of things and what he's able to pry out of the corporate overlords. I think it's a fair assumption, and beyond that, certain both have said as much, they're both doing it because they care—about the community and, of course, the car. I agree that the process has been less than ideal, I know I've said it as well, but I don't think either of them should be the target of our ire.

As someone who also works in an industry where discretion is SOP, I get why Dan is not sharing everything now. Yes, subjectively speaking it sucks, but objectively speaking its his livelihood at risk. It's also very possible there are a lot of things that have yet to be worked out! So, in turn, there's nothing to share. We don't know.

I was kidding.

 

[Blackbeard]

quick someone say somthing funny

 

[Kbl911]

Something funny!

 

[Andaesthetics]

I asked around and though I can't conform this I can say that things don't look good for expected units. I'm trying to get a distinction between 1-3 units in the first 2-3 months or 1-3 units for 2022 because I've heard both.

Either way it seems like there wont be more than a few thousand Z cars for 2022. ?

I mean this isn't surprising. I don't know why anyone thinks they would mass produce thousands upon thousands of Zs considering the 370Z had very low sales the last few years of it's model year. It would only make financial sense to produce like ~1000 units the first quarter and see how they sell and then increase production each quarter from there if demand is high.

 

[LeatherWings]

I mean this isn't surprising. I don't know why anyone thinks they would mass produce thousands upon thousands of Zs considering the 370Z had very low sales the last few years of it's model year. It would only make financial sense to produce like ~1000 units the first quarter and see how they sell and then increase production each quarter from there if demand is high.

I get your point, but the whole purpose of a redesign is to reinvigorate sales - not so that they could continue to have less-than-stellar or paltry numbers.

With that said, I agree. It's not surprising, unfortunately - especially given the way this whole thing has been playing out thus far.

 

[indio22]

I get your point, but the whole purpose of a redesign is to reinvigorate sales - not so that they could continue to have less-than-stellar or paltry numbers.

A primary concern of mine, has been the possibility of low planned output, irrespective of COVID/world events. To be clear, I never expected mass produced output like some other vehicles. But I've just been getting the vibe this vehicle production will be on the low side of even modest expectations by design. Which could lead to years long delivery waits, and not so good price deals. And then throw in COVID, wars, earthquakes, fires, meteor strikes, etc!

 

[FBD]

Yep that’s what I meant
This is a quote from a car publisher back in 2009 note “damn good deal”

“The only things we miss out on are the tasty 19-inch forged Rays alloys that are available on the top-line models in the USA and Japan, but with the 370Z retailing at $67,990 for the manual and $70,990 for the automatic (less than the outgoing 350Z Track), it's a damn good deal as it stands.”

Now if you click on this link, you can see you can buy a 2022 (made in 21) for just over 50k …and if your willing to have one that’s just a year old…37k
https://www.carsguide.com.au/nissan/370z/price

Now all that remains to be seen is the Zs new price, but as stated rumours are between 70-90k with most thinking 70-80k is a fair range

This is very interesting. And insightful. On the AUS dollar then...you'd have to ask yourself is the new Z worth 90K over one of the last remaining 370Zs you can still get new for 52k? Is it that much better? I saw one drive by today and its still a fetching car.

 

[FBD]

Just did a quick search. This 1990 Z32 TT with only 26,000KM is on sale here in BC for 70K.

Original sticker price $54, 985.00 CAD! How is that for a sanity check? Here's the link:

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/nissan/...7/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=1_6_6&sprx=-1

 

[jc604]

Crazy how we are still begging for some info still. Really hope nissan brings some news soon.

 

[McLovin157]

I leave this thread alone for a few hours and it goes to shit real quickly.

 

[takemorepills]

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Just did a quick search. This 1990 Z32 TT with only 26,000KM is on sale here in BC for 70K.

Original sticker price $54, 985.00 CAD! How is that for a sanity check? Here's the link:

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/nissan/...7/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=1_6_6&sprx=-1

Figuring in inflation compared to 90 MSRP, it is a decent deal for weirdo world we live in.
If it wasn't for the fact that it's becoming irreplaceable and one car accident could take it away, I'd rather have the Z32 than the new Z.