A Great Conversation with Dan Passe on 2023 Nissan Z [Specs, Release, Pricing]

[therumblewagon]

Im 100% going to dig into this. I'll be back tomorrow with more.

Any luck w/ updates @McLovin157 ?

 

[Blackbeard]

heres something to read for the friends of America's hat lol. https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/how-to-import-a-car-from-the-u-s-into-canada

 

[Donalex]

With they way you guys have been talking why even bother with a Z or a sports car for that matter? Some people will never be pleased and it sounds like that is some of the guys from Canada.

Well, BLAME CANADA! ???

 

[McLovin157]

Any luck w/ updates @McLovin157 ?

I asked around and though I can't conform this I can say that things don't look good for expected units. I'm trying to get a distinction between 1-3 units in the first 2-3 months or 1-3 units for 2022 because I've heard both.

Either way it seems like there wont be more than a few thousand Z cars for 2022. ?

 

[Blackbeard]

fuck I hope that’s not true cause that’s pretty bad 1-3 for the year

 

[siggy]

Seen this from a mile away. Suppose I didn’t share the same optimism as others.

 

[therumblewagon]

I asked around and though I can't conform this I can say that things don't look good for expected units. I'm trying to get a distinction between 1-3 units in the first 2-3 months or 1-3 units for 2022 because I've heard both.

Either way it seems like there wont be more than a few thousand Z cars for 2022. ?

 

[McLovin157]

Don’t take this as the absolute truth but my optimism is slowly washing away.

 

[Blackbeard]

so one bring me good news or im going to be sitting here a while lol

 

[indio22]

so one bring me good news or im going to be sitting here a while lol

The Riddle of Z. Contemplate this delay on the tree of woe.

 

[West Aussie]

Don’t take this as the absolute truth but my optimism is slowly washing away.

welcome to the club, I think a lot of us were at the point you are about 3 months ago.
it’s been getting bleaker with every passing week

 

[LeatherWings]

so one bring me good news or im going to be sitting here a while lol

WHAT IS BEST IN LIFE?

 

[indio22]

WHAT IS BEST IN LIFE?

"To own a Z, to see it driven, and to hear the lamentation of Supra owners."

 

[Kbl911]

So a 3.00T Supra in the states starts at 55k MSRP. So if the Z is 40-50k for the sport and performance you would be looking 5-15k cheaper. Thats a big amount for most people.

Hmmm, where are you getting that "$55k" figure from, exactly? According to Toyota's website, the 2022 3.0 base model MSRP is $51,640. And a quick glance at the equipment list reveals that model has features rather equivalent to the Performance trim Z. Basically, if the Performance with the 9-speed is approaching $50k, Nissan isn't making much of a value argument, at all, which is bad news.

Also, and I cannot be alone in this, why are so many so willing to overlook the huge price jump from the entry point of the last model year (2020) to the upcoming vehicle? The 2020 base Z had an MSRP of $30,090 in the US. Again, that's not 14 years ago, that's the most recent model produced just a few years back. I just wonder why Nissan expects people to overlook what appears to be a roughly 33% increase in price - that's ludicrous! All this while working with largely existing components, as well.

Think about it, this would be like the 2021 Toyota 86 costing $28,775 and the following model, the next-gen 2022 GR86, costing over $38,000. Or if the C8 Corvette had jumped from $56,590 to $75,000 (this would have almost been understandable given the COMPLETE overhaul!). That's a massive move upmarket no matter how you spin it.

 

[siggy]

Hmmm, where are you getting that "$55k" figure from, exactly? according to Toyota's website, the 2022 3.0 base model MSRP is $51,640. And a quick glance at the equipment list reveals that model has features rather equivalent to the Performance trim Z. Basically, the Performance with the 9-speed is approaching $50k, Nissan isn't making much of a value argument, at all, which is bad news.

Also, and I cannot be alone in this, why are so many so willing to overlook the huge price jump from the entry point of the last model year (2020) to the upcoming vehicle? The 2020 base Z had an MSRP of $30,090 in the US. Again, that's not 14 years ago, that's the most recent model produced just a few years back. I just wonder why Nissan expects people to overlook what appears to be a roughly 33% increase in price - that's ludicrous! All this while working with largely existing components, as well.

Think about it, this would be like the 2021 Toyota 86 costing $28,775 and the following model, the next-gen 2022 GR86, costing over $38,000. Or if the C8 Corvette had jumped from $56,590 to $75,000 (this would have almost been understandable given the COMPLETE overhaul!). That's a massive move upmarket no matter how you spin it.

Hm....interesting analysis. I dig it. Never really thought of it in the context of the GR86/BRZ or especially the Corvette. The C8 was a radical departure from the prior generation with minimal price increase (and before someone says something about ADM's go bark up some other tree). The Z is peanuts in changes when compared to the Vette. On the other hand they do need to price it accordingly compared to the competition. But you can also get a Stang and Maro for mid 30's. And with Nissan trying to get back in the market, will be interesting to see how it shakes out.