A Great Conversation with Dan Passe on 2023 Nissan Z [Specs, Release, Pricing]

[Kbl911]

You said "I expect strong initial sales" but how can sales be "strong" if all signs point us to scarce supply?

Well, that doesn't entirely make sense if you take "strong sales" to mean "selling all available units regardless of price." I didn't mean "volume sales equivalent to a Toyota Camry," after all.

 

[Kbl911]

Maybe it’s not typical in the US but it has been done before in Aus.

As I pointed out in another thread…13 years ago the 370Z went on sale in Aus for the first time. For the base model it was 70k
over the past 13 years they slowly reduced the price as interest waned and you can supposedly still buy a new 370 now …but it will only cost you 52k. That’s a 18k DROP over the 13 years.

Now here comes the Z, and predictions are it could be between 70-90 K.
The Aussie page is in agreement that anything over 80 is too much, including myself, however we forget that it realistically is a 10k increase (if it sells for 80K) over 13 years on the original sale price of the 370Z

Its still a fair chunk, but nowhere near as much of a difference had we compared the new Z for the outgoing 370Zs price today
If we did that it could be close to a 30k difference or more than half again of the outgoing 370Z which is really quite frightening

Interesting! That's certainly a unique scenario, seeing the MSRP actually drop (assuming that's what you meant) and now go back up. I've not seen something like that occur stateside, certainly not to that degree. So, I suppose I could amend the statement to omit that particular situation.

 

[Kbl911]

That is the crux of the matter. If Nissan is estimating a limited production of Zs, then they might not care so much losing substantial customer sales, if Nissan won't/can't produce those Zs anyway. So they might as well shoot higher for price.

You've hit it.

This is my ultimate fear; the one thing that, as a Z fan/owner, I don't want to admit to myself. But it's there, creeping around in my mind. The notion that Nissan is basically saying "screw 'em, take 'em for all they'll give." The complete betrayal of the Z's raison d'être.

I really hope this isn't the rationale.

 

[West Aussie]

Interesting! That's certainly a unique scenario, seeing the MSRP actually drop (assuming that's what you meant) and now go back up. I've not seen something like that occur stateside, certainly not to that degree. So, I suppose I could amend the statement to omit that particular situation.

Yep that’s what I meant
This is a quote from a car publisher back in 2009 note “damn good deal”

“The only things we miss out on are the tasty 19-inch forged Rays alloys that are available on the top-line models in the USA and Japan, but with the 370Z retailing at $67,990 for the manual and $70,990 for the automatic (less than the outgoing 350Z Track), it's a damn good deal as it stands.”

Now if you click on this link, you can see you can buy a 2022 (made in 21) for just over 50k …and if your willing to have one that’s just a year old…37k
https://www.carsguide.com.au/nissan/370z/price

Now all that remains to be seen is the Zs new price, but as stated rumours are between 70-90k with most thinking 70-80k is a fair range

 

[Blackbeard]

maybe we should get one of the big boys in here to clear shit up

 

[takemorepills]

Well, that doesn't entirely make sense if you take "strong sales" to mean "selling all available units regardless of price." I didn't mean "volume sales equivalent to a Toyota Camry," after all.

Semantics.
"Demand" is probably what you meant (or what I believe it should be)
"Sales" is how many units of something are sold.

I just don't agree that you can call something "strong sales" when production is way under demand. Even Nissan would like to sell as many Z's as possible, at the right price, if anything just to say that they "win" in some sales metric.

I'm just trying to point out, not necessarily you, but many people are postulating about these things whilst seemingly not considering the actual conditions we have been in.

 

[takemorepills]

maybe we should get one of the big boys in here to clear shit up

"Mr. Non Committal Dan Passe"?

 

[Blackbeard]

lol even though i said he wouldnt really tell us the truth if it was yea F u guys we are going to nail u for as much as we can .. throw up some middle finge and walk away lol

 

[takemorepills]

lol even thought i said be he wouldnt really tell us the truth if it was yea F u guys we are going to nail u for as much as we can .. throw up some middle finge and walk away lol

Sometimes, it's better to tell the truth

 

[Kbl911]

Semantics.
"Demand" is probably what you meant (or what I believe it should be)
"Sales" is how many units of something are sold.

I just don't agree that you can call something "strong sales" when production is way under demand. Even Nissan would like to sell as many Z's as possible, at the right price, if anything just to say that they "win" in some sales metric.

I'm just trying to point out, not necessarily you, but many people are postulating about these things whilst seemingly not considering the actual conditions we have been in.

That's okay, you don't have to agree. It's not that I can't see the semantic point you're making.

Right, I can see now that the comment likely wasn't even pointed at me since it doesn't directly relate to what I was driving at.

 

[therumblewagon]

"Mr. Non Committal Dan Passe"?

Gonna stop ya right there. I know we're all frustrated at the continued lack of details, myself included, but Dan doesn't HAVE to continue to sign on here and reply to us whenever he has time, or has news to share. Nor does @McLovin157 HAVE to continue to sign on here, in his situation to provide insights into the dealer side of things and what he's able to pry out of the corporate overlords. I think it's a fair assumption, and beyond that, certain both have said as much, they're both doing it because they care—about the community and, of course, the car. I agree that the process has been less than ideal, I know I've said it as well, but I don't think either of them should be the target of our ire.

As someone who also works in an industry where discretion is SOP, I get why Dan is not sharing everything now. Yes, subjectively speaking it sucks, but objectively speaking its his livelihood at risk. It's also very possible there are a lot of things that have yet to be worked out! So, in turn, there's nothing to share. We don't know.

 

[takemorepills]

Gonna stop ya right there. I know we're all frustrated at the continued lack of details, myself included, but Dan doesn't HAVE to continue to sign on here and reply to us whenever he has time, or has news to share. Nor does @McLovin157 HAVE to continue to sign on here, in his situation to provide insights into the dealer side of things and what he's able to pry out of the corporate overlords. I think it's a fair assumption, and beyond that, certain both have said as much, they're both doing it because they care—about the community and, of course, the car. I agree that the process has been less than ideal, I know I've said it as well, but I don't think either of them should be the target of our ire.

As someone who also works in an industry where discretion is SOP, I get why Dan is not sharing everything now. Yes, subjectively speaking it sucks, but objectively speaking its his livelihood at risk. It's also very possible there are a lot of things that have yet to be worked out! So, in turn, there's nothing to share. We don't know.

I was kidding.

 

[Blackbeard]

quick someone say somthing funny

 

[Kbl911]

Something funny!

 

[Andaesthetics]

I asked around and though I can't conform this I can say that things don't look good for expected units. I'm trying to get a distinction between 1-3 units in the first 2-3 months or 1-3 units for 2022 because I've heard both.

Either way it seems like there wont be more than a few thousand Z cars for 2022. ?

I mean this isn't surprising. I don't know why anyone thinks they would mass produce thousands upon thousands of Zs considering the 370Z had very low sales the last few years of it's model year. It would only make financial sense to produce like ~1000 units the first quarter and see how they sell and then increase production each quarter from there if demand is high.