A Great Conversation with Dan Passe on 2023 Nissan Z [Specs, Release, Pricing]

[jezzza]

Disagree…I call it the Zee….and I’m in Aus, dint know, maybe it’s coz I’ve been hanging around in this forum too much and the guys from the US have rubbed off on me, or maybe because of all the clips I’ve watched about it I’ve become accustomed to Zee
But I’ve never called it a Zed, some of the other Aussie guys may be different

Like the Canadians above I also pronounce it a Nissan Zed, though many Australian's do oddly gravitate towards American pronunciation of things, guess it's the Hollywood effect.

 

[DevonK]

Although Canadian, I prefer Zee. It's got more forward momentum and power, it's an accelerative sound - zeeee! Zed otoh is the opposite, the hard d at the end brings the action to a halt, it is like hitting the brakes. And the soft e in Zed just sounds "eh".

 

[indio22]

I stand by this. Nissan doesn't want the car to suck by any means and if this car fails god help the brand. Nissan wants to deliver and no matter how "perfect" things may be there will be people that complain. This is meant to be an AFFORDABLE sports car, not the killer of all sports cars.

Definitely down with the affordable aspect, and also not needing the Z to kill competitor vehicles. Repurposing aspects of the chassis, proven engine and other aspects, is also fine with me and a smart move ... instead of being a guinea pig with a lot of brand new components and the associated costs.

But one thing is non-negotiable: TIME!

A vehicle is no good to me, if unable to get it. And that's going to be a function of how soon Nissan releases the vehicle, production rate vs demand, and how far into the future for some of us that pushes the availability. Along with potential price hikes as 2022 stretches into 2023 and beyond. (Bronco launch is kind of my nightmare scenario for the Z.)

 

[indio22]

They can do something. They can build enough. ...

This. All day. While acknowledging world events and things happen ... is the general plan for Nissan to produce this vehicle in sufficient numbers to meet the expected demand? Or will availability get strung out into years long waits with extended ADMs and then price hikes, before some folks are even able to get their hands on one?

 

[takemorepills]

This. All day. While acknowledging world events and things happen ... is the general plan for Nissan to produce this vehicle in sufficient numbers to meet the expected demand? Or will availability get strung out into years long waits with extended ADMs and then price hikes, before some folks are even able to get their hands on one?

Honda Civic Type R has entered the chat........

 

[takemorepills]

I've mentioned it before, but it seems as though Nissan is deliberately delaying the new Z so to that Airya can be first. When I spoke with my local Nissan dealership, the sales manager offered that theory up also, his thoughts were that Nissan hasn't communicated much, but Airya ordering opened up a while ago, and at one time Nissan did communicate that Z would be last.

And I'll say it again, if that's true, it's a dick move by corporate Nissan to stick to their "A-Z" guns. It is so incredibly difficult to build BEV in this era, getting components and supplies for BEV is far worse than building an ICE vehicle. If that's what Nissan is doing, it means that the Z is held up while the Airya struggles with production, merely to have A before Z.

 

[Dotson]

Here is another point to consider. All of the Nismo's have been during the era of the NA engine run. So they've tuned them, exhaust maybe, suspension etc. My 370Z had way more power than a Nismo from the quality of bolt ons I had on it.

Now think back to the era of the Z32TT, but also the MarkIV. There were no Nismo or track versions of these cars. Why?? Because they were TT and to get more power meant you didn't have to go down the road of costly bolt ons, you could just boost up the turbos, more boost, waste gates, exhaust maybe, but not even.

With the present Zed TT imagine releasing a Nismo. And I think they should of course because of the racing program. But imagine someone paying an additional 7k for the Nismo. And then I take my performance trim to get tuned and end up getting 500hp at the wheels. Get my point? The twin turbo strategy almost nullifies the need for a Nismo, save for the tweaking of tires and brakes and suspension, that, let's be honest, resulted in a trim package that took the horse power from 332 to 350 and added 6 ft lb of torgue. They should still do a Nismo, but my point here more radically is don't worry about 160lbs extra on the Zed and thinking its going to be slow. Be thankful there's a decent clutch and tranny and carbon drive shaft and a real LSD. Tuning it and giving it another 100 or 150hp will become a healing balm to everyone's tortured nightmares about whether the Zed gained a bit of baby fat. Why do the tail lights remind us of the Z32? Because that was Nissan's undisputed golden age of the Zed. And now with Twin Turbos we are back.

One thing you're forgetting, Nismo = more power and performance WITH factory warranty.
Also, intakes, exhaust, and tunes are easier to measure but a lot of other after market stuff has no real data to backup their claims. For example, spoilers, wings, suspension bushings. The new chin spoiler may look cool but does it actually help the aerodynamics? In fact it may hinder performance. The aftermarket manufacturers don't install these things and measure the actual performance in wind tunnels or on a track like OEM will.

 

[Longhorn2020]

One thing you're forgetting, Nismo = more power and performance WITH factory warranty.
Also, intakes, exhaust, and tunes are easier to measure but a lot of other after market stuff has no real data to backup their claims. For example, spoilers, wings, suspension bushings. The new chin spoiler may look cool but does it actually help the aerodynamics? In fact it may hinder performance. The aftermarket manufacturers don't install these things and measure the actual performance in wind tunnels or on a track like OEM will.

Agreed. I don't want to buy a new car and instantly void the warranty. The Nismo is from thr factory and covered, which is why that is the only version I will buy.

 

[NissanFreak2021]

Agreed. I don't want to buy a new car and instantly void the warranty. The Nismo is from thr factory and covered, which is why that is the only version I will buy.

Same here. Nismo version or I will just get something else.

 

[therumblewagon]

I've mentioned it before, but it seems as though Nissan is deliberately delaying the new Z so to that Airya can be first. When I spoke with my local Nissan dealership, the sales manager offered that theory up also, his thoughts were that Nissan hasn't communicated much, but Airya ordering opened up a while ago, and at one time Nissan did communicate that Z would be last.

And I'll say it again, if that's true, it's a dick move by corporate Nissan to stick to their "A-Z" guns. It is so incredibly difficult to build BEV in this era, getting components and supplies for BEV is far worse than building an ICE vehicle. If that's what Nissan is doing, it means that the Z is held up while the Airya struggles with production, merely to have A before Z.

Eh, I think we can put this theory to bed. Website still says Fall 2022, and it's looking more and more likely that June latest will be launch for Z. If I had to guess, Nissan is going the preorder route for the Ariya because of the amount of chips required to build, so it's something they probably want a more accurate gauge on.

 

[FBD]

One thing you're forgetting, Nismo = more power and performance WITH factory warranty.
Also, intakes, exhaust, and tunes are easier to measure but a lot of other after market stuff has no real data to backup their claims. For example, spoilers, wings, suspension bushings. The new chin spoiler may look cool but does it actually help the aerodynamics? In fact it may hinder performance. The aftermarket manufacturers don't install these things and measure the actual performance in wind tunnels or on a track like OEM will.

I couldn't disagree with you more. My Nissan dealership (and no I will not name them) is tuning my car right away and it is covered under warranty. They regularly tune the Red Sport and get 600 at the crank. Again, I have to ask how many Z's everyone has owned? You need to find a dealership that deals in the Z and GTR. If you go to a backwoods Nissan dealership of course you'll get the standard warranty is void talk. My last 370Z was completely tuned with all the bolt ons right from new and the warranty was completely intact. The dealership did it for me. And my Z walked all over the Nismo. Again, my dealership has said as long as they do it that warranty is completely intact.

 

[siggy]

I mean you try and pump out a car in the worst auto market sense WWII and tell me how it goes. It's easy to throw stones when you have no conceivable way of understanding the magnitude of effort that goes into launching a new car.

I’m not referring to the release of the actual car. I think it was obvious that would be delayed and challenging given the current state of affairs. What I’m referring to is release of information on the car itself. That has been minimal at best. Nissan has that information whether you believe it or not. You can defend Nissan all you want, but the fact we still know very little is disappointing. But then again you work for a Nissan dealership so I expect you to be bias.

 

[FBD]

Although Canadian, I prefer Zee. It's got more forward momentum and power, it's an accelerative sound - zeeee! Zed otoh is the opposite, the hard d at the end brings the action to a halt, it is like hitting the brakes. And the soft e in Zed just sounds "eh".

Toronto boy!!

 

[FBD]

One thing you're forgetting, Nismo = more power and performance WITH factory warranty.
Also, intakes, exhaust, and tunes are easier to measure but a lot of other after market stuff has no real data to backup their claims. For example, spoilers, wings, suspension bushings. The new chin spoiler may look cool but does it actually help the aerodynamics? In fact it may hinder performance. The aftermarket manufacturers don't install these things and measure the actual performance in wind tunnels or on a track like OEM will.

One other interesting note is to take a look at Steven Millen (Stillen). Everything comes with their 36 month warranty and they ship everything to the Nissan dealer to install and it does not violate the Nissan warranty. In fact the arrangement is that Nissan works with Stillen as the official installer.

 

[McLovin157]

They can do something. They can build enough. I was at my local Nissan dealer yesterday, and to my surprise, they had 7 Titans and 14 of the new Frontiers, in EVERY version offered on the lot. Not even "in transit".
So, something is "unclogging" because a few weeks ago there were no trucks there, not for several months.

Nissan should delay the output of some vehicle to allow enough Zs to be made. Would the world really miss a few Rogues not getting made?




OK, I see you keep spelling "Z" as Zed. I reckon since you are from Canadia, I gotta ask...

Was the 370Z also pronounced "370Zed" in Canadia?

Would the vehicle title in Canadia spell out "Z" as "Zed"? I'll be damned if they do! ?

I'm no expert on Canadia, although I live near and visit Vancouver often....just never picked up on the unique spelling of the letter Z when I go there....
?? ??

The reason you keep seeing Nissan models come in bulk is because they are producing them in batches then sending them to select regions. We haven't had a pathfinder in 4 months and got 4 in the last week. We received about a dozen altimas but wont see a frontier or Titan for another 2-4 months. Nissan is unloading them to dealers in batches.