Upgraded to Z1 sway bars...

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Thanks. If I went Stillen, which adjustable end links if I wanted to future proof. Will the Z1 end links work with Stillen or other swaybars?
If you want to truly future proof, get the SPL end links. Too many people talk about broken Z1 suspension components both on and off the track. That said, they have improved things, but I wouldn't trust them on the track still, seeing as suspension is one thing that keeps you from hitting the wall.
 

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Keep in mind, if you’re not lowering the car then you don’t need the end links. More than likely even if you lower it a bit you probably still won’t need them. I would put the money toward something that makes a difference. At least until you find that you need them.
 

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Thanks for reply. I am having a shop install them. I like to punch the gas sometimes but I would not say I am aggressive driver. Rear end does not step out that much anymore now that I have Michelin Pilot Sports installed.

It seems that understeer is better than oversteer all else being equal for a normal driver. Therefore, either just installed a thicker front sway bar or installing both with the rear setting one step looser seems to be what people are saying.

Either way, it looks like the Z1 sway bars are out of stock until July. Nismo are out of stock too. What are people's thoughts on Stillen or any other brands I am missing?
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This post came with fantastic timing. I had some space on a lift rented out today to install my z1 sway bars. Was originally going to go with the inner fitting, but after reading this decided to go with the outer when assembling. Don't regret it. Not experiencing any of the nvh degradation you mentioned, but the car corners much better now. Thanks for the timely info!
Just ordered my swaybars from Z1. Great info.
 

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Hotchkis diameter is the same as the Z1 kit. The sway bars are the same (at least the front I am sure of) for the 370z and the Z
I'll go the Hotchkiss route since a local friend that tracks extensively have used it with great balance on his 370Z for several years and transferred to his new Z, no issues to report! Good enough recommendation.
 

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What do you mean by that?
Most cars are designed to understeer from the factory as a safety design. Imagine a distracted mom with kids in the back of her van getting on the onramp and she hits a bump or gets 1 wheel off the road, its likely she may snap the steering wheel back. If there was an excessive amount of oversteer she would definitely lose control of the vehicle.
 

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Most cars are designed to understeer from the factory as a safety design. Imagine a distracted mom with kids in the back of her van getting on the onramp and she hits a bump or gets 1 wheel off the road, its likely she may snap the steering wheel back. If there was an excessive amount of oversteer she would definitely lose control of the vehicle.
I see now.
 

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What do you mean by that?
What 5thZ said is absolutely correct as far as average drivers are concerned. Most people are safer driving a car that understeers in an emergency situation. To understand understeer/ oversteer from a sports car performance driving perspective, (for those that don’t understand) think of setting up cones in a circle in a parking lot. You attempt to slowly increase in speed going round and round without upsetting the balance of the car (no abrupt movements). You’re just keeping the steering wheel pointed on target and keeping the car as planted as possible. You’re going faster and faster until something gives out. If the front end looses grip you’re forced to go wide and loose speed in order to get back on track. This is understeer. If the tail end starts loosing grip, it swings wide causing the car to point it’s nose in toward the corner and then with steering input and throttle control you can control the point of the front end and stay on target. At the limit of a car that just slightly oversteers you can actually steer the car with the throttle a bit. Hold more speed. (Not taking about hanging the ass out in a full drift)

Some talk about “snap oversteer”. This is caused by too much throttle spinning the rear tires and having the ass end swing around on you like an unhinged Mustang driver at a cars and coffee event. No one wants this. 🤪. This is not about the balance of the car. This is too much throttle while still having the tires pointed towards the corner. It can also be caused by throttle lift while mid corner causing an abrupt weight transfer from rear/middle to the front end causing the rear to get light and loose traction.

Hope this helps. And if anyone has a better analogy please chime in.
 

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What 5thZ said is absolutely correct as far as average drivers are concerned. Most people are safer driving a car that understeers in an emergency situation. To understand understeer/ oversteer from a sports car performance driving perspective, (for those that don’t understand) think of setting up cones in a circle in a parking lot. You attempt to slowly increase in speed going round and round without upsetting the balance of the car (no abrupt movements). You’re just keeping the steering wheel pointed on target and keeping the car as planted as possible. You’re going faster and faster until something gives out. If the front end looses grip you’re forced to go wide and loose speed in order to get back on track. This is understeer. If the tail end starts loosing grip, it swings wide causing the car to point it’s nose in toward the corner and then with steering input and throttle control you can control the point of the front end and stay on target. At the limit of a car that just slightly oversteers you can actually steer the car with the throttle a bit. Hold more speed. (Not taking about hanging the ass out in a full drift)

Some talk about “snap oversteer”. This is caused by too much throttle spinning the rear tires and having the ass end swing around on you like an unhinged Mustang driver at a cars and coffee event. No one wants this. 🤪. This is not about the balance of the car. This is too much throttle while still having the tires pointed towards the corner. It can also be caused by throttle lift while mid corner causing an abrupt weight transfer from rear/middle to the front end causing the rear to get light and loose traction.

Hope this helps. And if anyone has a better analogy please chime in.
Great analogy.
 

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Wow! big difference. I used the "softer setting". Eventually will try the other one.
Nice! That's what most people say even on lowest setting. What do you notice right off the bat?
 
 






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