You make an awesome point. I wonder what a world where the 86 and BRZ were competitively developed would look like. I wonder if the collaboration has any other effects like BMW incorporating the Kaizen philosophy or something. I think the collaboration would be a lot more fulfilling if it was done at the engineering level and not the parts level.I agree that joint ventures can lead to some exciting products. However, what I see with the 86 and Supra is just sad. It's like Toyota is at mercy of Subaru and BMW. No turbos on the 86 because it might steal sales from the WRX and no manual on the Supra because BMW doesn't offer it on the 3.0 Z4. If these two were done in house they would still have to deal with the accounting department, but they would still have more freedom than what they currently have and wouldn't be depend or handicap by another carmaker.