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Goooood god, this thing has trouble putting power down!

Bingo.

Exactly ? A good portion of these stories, particularly when they occur in sports cars, begin with something approximating "I turned off the stupid nanny systems and..." Remember that lunatic who turned off ESC in his 812 and caned the throttle in London?! Classic error. Ferrari 812...

True but also not really applicable to a vehicle with a stability control system. In absolute terms, you are correct that an open differential could help prevent a spin out, however the VDC system is in place precisely to counteract that exact situation. So, realistically, it's not that Nissan...

That has been my thought on the matter. I understand the physics behind this, and it can be argued that an open differential is equally safe and similarly effective for street driving in dry conditions, but this is an uncommon amount of power relative to most vehicles on the market. It just...

We'll get through this. Greed does typically win but maybe - just maybe - consumers won't take the L on this one.

Oh, they'll find a way. I don't think that the 30%+ price inflation is going to suddenly disappear, I suspect it'll be slower, even as inventory concerns abate. It'll take consumer refusal to pay inflated prices for it to truly stabilize. That or there will have to be a contingent of dealerships...

Sooo many dealerships are going to maintain these inflated prices long after it's necessitated by market conditions. Making record profits while moving fewer units has worked out too well for too many of them. Up like a rocket/down like a feather, as it's said.

I'd argue it's far less a problem of entitlement and more so one of expectation. In this case, an expectation that rests/rested on a multitude of factors (historical pricing for the Z, the vehicle's market position, price relative to competitors, etc) some of which are more reliable predictors...

Nissan dealerships are going to ensure that the Z fails, at this rate. ?

Absolutely true in terms of the physics involved, though the stability control system provides a safety net when the vehicle detects a spin-out situation, so it's somewhat less of a real-world concern and more of a hypothetical one. Unless you encounter a situation that the VDC cannot properly...

Basically, for normal street use, you likely won't be able to discern much of a difference. There are circumstances wherein the LSD will definitely provide superior traction under acceleration but, ultimately, if you're driving (even relatively aggressively) in dry conditions on relatively level...

Yeah, I agree. I think it would be close and possibly even come down to each specific launch instance.

Oh, you're thinking that the Z Performance trim would be notably quicker in a stoplight race compared to the Z Sport? Totally possible, but I'd put more of that on the factory tires than even the LSD, assuming both are operating in near-ideal conditions. Just like Motor Trend speculated back...

Oh, it would be straight up hilarious! That's a PR nightmare Nissan surely would prefer to avoid, particularly given the bludgeoning the Z has already taken in many notable comparisons.

Oh, it would be straight up hilarious! That's a PR nightmare Nissan surely would prefer to avoid, particularly given the bludgeoning the Z has already taken in many notable comparisons.

Random thought: has anyone seen a performance comparison between the two Z trims (using and aligning both transmissions)? I'd be curious to see if there's much of a difference off of the track. There wasn't in the case of the 370. In fact, I think it was C&D who claimed a Base 370 with sticky...

Random thought: has anyone seen a performance comparison between the two Z trims (using and aligning both transmissions)? I'd be curious to see if there's much of a difference off of the track. There wasn't in the case of the 370. In fact, I think it was C&D who claimed a Base 370 with sticky...

This! Nissan has that scrappy quality, for better or worse. I want to see the day we're able to get these for invoice ?

This! Nissan has that scrappy quality, for better or worse. I want to see the day we're able to get these for invoice ?