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Nissan is small to an extent, yes. They are still evidently offering 4 trims at launch in Japan, if initial reports are to be believed, so it feels like a deliberate decision to offer only the most basic and most feature-laden variants in most markets. Hell, Mazda is tiny even compared to Nissan...

The market does indeed blow right now. But, oddly, it hasn't stopped the C8 from offering 5,000 trims and myriad options to buyers... I think Nissan could hide behind that excuse, and may choose to, but I don't take it to necessarily be true. We'd have seen the rest of the market reflect this...

The lack of any options within that significant void will make me wait until Nissan decides to fill it with the appropriate packages. In a sense, they should hope I prove to be in the minority since it'd be a shame if sales suffered as a result of their questionable decision.

(waves from the beach in Naples)

Yeah, as mentioned, there was never any middle tier offering for the US market in the launch material and it seems there won't be one, initially. Perhaps eventually the range will be expanded.

I could see $35K. That might be a reasonable starting point; it at least keeps the new Z within shouting distance of the price range it's been occupying for the last several decades. Opening things at $40K reeks of a cash grab to me, and I've really been avoiding coming to that conclusion. Had...

Those splash guards still look silly to me.

Something funny!

Exactly, the base models are doing some things right. Now, perhaps Nissan will address the massive elephant in the room and give all of these 400 horsepower RWD sports cars a bloody LSD. Hell, the 370 is dangerous without it.

That's okay, you don't have to agree. It's not that I can't see the semantic point you're making. Right, I can see now that the comment likely wasn't even pointed at me since it doesn't directly relate to what I was driving at.

You've hit it. This is my ultimate fear; the one thing that, as a Z fan/owner, I don't want to admit to myself. But it's there, creeping around in my mind. The notion that Nissan is basically saying "screw 'em, take 'em for all they'll give." The complete betrayal of the Z's raison d'être. I...

Interesting! That's certainly a unique scenario, seeing the MSRP actually drop (assuming that's what you meant) and now go back up. I've not seen something like that occur stateside, certainly not to that degree. So, I suppose I could amend the statement to omit that particular situation.

Well, that doesn't entirely make sense if you take "strong sales" to mean "selling all available units regardless of price." I didn't mean "volume sales equivalent to a Toyota Camry," after all.

Maybe the engine itself is pricey, that's possible. But it's certainly not pricier on its own than what Chevrolet did moving the Corvette from the C7 to the C8 generations, right? We can surely agree on that. That's my point, this seems highly artificial, not rooted in a truly requisite price...

If that was pointed at me, then that isn't the argument, here. At least not the one I'm making. I am questioning Nissan's decision to - if all reports are to be believed - charge a 30-plus-percent premium for the base 2023 Z over the outgoing model for seemingly no reason. That's absolutely not...

Indeed, we'll just have to see how it shakes out for Nissan, here. I think it may be more of a mistake than they are willing to presently acknowledge but it really depends upon how the market reacts to the car in the long run. I expect strong initial sales but these are mainly people who were...

Yeah, those splash guards still look silly to me. Nice colors though.

Hmmm, where are you getting that "$55k" figure from, exactly? According to Toyota's website, the 2022 3.0 base model MSRP is $51,640. And a quick glance at the equipment list reveals that model has features rather equivalent to the Performance trim Z. Basically, if the Performance with the...

This was a hilariously awful take. An ill-tempered Bichon could smash its paws into a keyboard for 5 minutes and return with something more thoughtful and convincing than that.