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$60,900. Almost zero change in MSRP.

Exactly right. I've noticed this, as well. Some reviews I've been reading mention it but only as a very brief aside. As if to say "that's not the one you're going to purchase, come on, now." ?

You're *definitely* right about most vehicles steadily increasing in price over the years. Most sports cars do have relatively long generational cycles, though. Take the current generation Mustang GT: in 2015 it started from $32,925 and as of 2022 it starts from $37,275. So, there's a 12%...

That's where I keep landing, too, and I don't *want* to cast aspersions on Nissan but this feels like a deliberate move.

Are you sure? What other examples of this can we find? That's part of what I'm struggling with in terms of not directly blaming Nissan for consciously moving the Z up market. Like, has the Mustang suddenly jumped into a new price bracket without anyone noticing? The Cayman? The Corvette? I...

This. That addition would make a *world* of difference.

I think you're right. The 2021 GR86 started at $28,775 and the 2022 came in at $28,725, strangely ? The 2023 is expected to increase maybe slightly, but certainly nothing crazy.

No, the C8 has remained exceptionally stable in its first few years, and it only increased marginally from the C7: 2019 Corvette Stingray - $56,590 2020 Corvette - $59,995 So, that's what, a 6% increase for moving to an entirely new platform and layout? That was actually extremely impressive.

I don't think it was done with the intention of annoying anyone, no, no. Nissan isn't *villainous,* just misguided, in this specific case and in my specific opinion. I'm simply trying to find another example of a vehicle increasing its baseline price by this much, recently, and as a result of...

Right, but my groceries haven't seen a 30% increase in price ? To be more precise, what other vehicles are seeing this level of price increase year-over-year? This seems much more like the Z moving intentionally up market rather than simply reacting to the current state of manufacturing cost...

Oh, I'll definitely be digging into the reviews today to see what's what. I think I already grasp the bullet points, though. As to your first question.... Yes. I mean, don't we *all* want that? I suspect what you mean is that we shouldn't have expected it, which is probably true. I'm not...

Really? Could it be that it isn't "shock," as such, but disappointment that the Z has abandoned its core mission statement? Where's the "value argument," here? The base model is essentially a gimmick, priced to be able to market the Z as being a substantially less expensive entry than it...

This is the value of better quality tires, it seems. As predicted, Nissan is desperately trying to market the Z as a sub-$40K car when it really isn't. Has anyone posted a review of the base model, yet?

One recurring theme throughout many reviews is that the tires let the Z down.

Yeah, some of us have definitely been pounding this drum since the announcement of the binary trim structure. It's really foolish. I mean, look at the 2020 Z trims (and that's after they pared it down from previous years): Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Prices1 (MSRP) for the 2020 Nissan 370Z...

Looks like it was an $8,000 price difference apples-to-apples (7AT version is the only one available for the ST): Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Prices1 (MSRP) for the 2020 Nissan 370Z Coupe and 370Z NISMO: 370Z Coupe 6MT $30,090 USD 370Z Coupe 7AT $31,490 USD 370Z Coupe Sport 6MT...

I agree that the "Sport" should be, you know, the sporting package. Early rumors suggested that it would essentially come with the equipment setup from the 370Z Sport trim (19" wheels, Akebonos, LSD, etc). THAT would have made sense.

You're right that this is all hypothetical. Maybe the outrage at the mere suggestion of Nissan executing this pricing structure is evidence of a baseline understanding that it's got significantly high probability.

If the base model had a limited-slip diff, I'd seriously consider it. But even that seems like rewarding Nissan for deliberately trying to rip off their own fanbase which, it must be noted, is exceptionally loyal. This is just cynical from Nissan. Do better.

Rubbish. Are we seriously being asked to believe that the 370Z - a car that cost roughly $31,000 new in its last production year (base model) - is nearly 30% less expensive to produce than the car it has evolved into? Find me another example of that happening from one generation to the...