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I find it troubling that this individual doesn't mention what has been by far the largest critical complaint about the new Z - the abysmal factory rubber. This...reads more like a fanboy's idea of "necessary modifications" and not a serious investigation of noted problems with the dynamics of...

Nissan is literally *already* producing other trims. In fact, they're already producing the two most logical additional trims that most are calling for (a "track" type and a "touring" variant). They simply aren't yet offering them in any market outside of Japan. I don't think your point makes...

Facts.

I agree that C&D seems to be searching for excuses to point out the flaws in the new Z. They do offer occasional faint praise, mainly with respect to exterior design, but how many ways must we demonstrate that Nissan has made a critical error in their tire choice? How much more do we need to...

I'm also happy that Z's remain relatively uncommon compared to other (specifically American) sports cars. That's part of the allure for me. Having said that, you're probably right that using Mustangs and Camaros and even Corvettes to illustrate how not every sports car is seeing this level of...

Yeah, this isn't inflation, at least not mostly. This is Nissan's deliberate pricing strategy. I've gone over ad nauseum the roughly 30% year-over-year increase in the MSRP of the Z (last base model offered in 2020 vs current base model) and its just not something we're seeing industry-wide...

Definitely true that there are models that are suffering in profitability. Particularly EVs and PHEVs. Having said that, we can circle back to the main point which was that people are ignoring the general rise in year-over-year MSRP as it relates to complaints about Z pricing, which I'm still...

Thanks! Yeah, this looks to be referencing the same data that I was seeing - average transaction prices rather than actual MSRP increases. Like, if we're were talking about MSRP-specific inflation, we'd see the same model Ford Mustang suddenly jumping up like $5,000 in MSRP year-over-year, and...

That's crazy, if true! Where did you find that data? Perhaps I'm searching incorrectly, but I am not seeing any actual data regarding MSRP increases, only the rise in average transaction prices (which are largely attributed to buyers simply choosing more expensive models of specific vehicles...

I actually agree with you on that point. I think the Z has never been a true "segment leader" when you look at the sports car landscape in totality. Seems to me, the disappointment insinuated in the article is that this feels much more distinctly like a missed opportunity than past Zs. Too...

Ouch, this is fairly scathing from Car & Driver. The part that stuck with me: "It's an attractive proposition on paper and at first glance, but, as it turns out, the 2023 Nissan Z is not the budget world-beater Z-cars have been in the past."...

That's possible in some markets where the Z has traditionally had very few trims but I don't see it happening in North America. I'm betting that we'll eventually get the other two JDM trims since Nissan is already showing the willingness to produce those. And the Nismo, of course, which will...

Interesting takes. First - that comment has actually aged like wine given that, again, my grocery prices haven't changed by any margin even within *shouting distance* of 30%. I'd love to say that Naples is a unique market, unaffected by these changes, but that's completely untrue, at least from...

Yeah, this is a silly comparison from jump. C&D is aware that the Z comes with an automatic transmission and that it's notably quicker when so equipped. Also, we all agree that Nissan absolutely needs to elevate their factory tire game, it's embarrassing.

You're probably right on the price, and that's a shame. Akebonos, 19s, better tires and the LSD needn't cost $7-grand from the factory. In the past, the Z's gap between the base model and this sort of thing has been $5,000 or so. Less, if you're another manufacturer.

They've definitely done it to streamline the launch, at least in part. Also to maximize profits because early adopters will be likely to purchase top-tier trims. And I think they did it because of the current production realities that all manufacturers are facing, to one degree or another...

Right on. It would be like the new Zelda game being released with...whatever name it's going to have, and a large contingent of alleged "fans" endlessly still referring to it as "Breath of the Wild 2." We know the name of the vehicle. The time for speculative placeholders has long since ended. ?

I think we'll see them in the relatively near future, regardless. That they're already producing these other (rather necessary and obvious, in my view) trims in the home market signals to me that this was probably always the plan but that supply issues and general production difficulties threw a...

Sure they could have. Virtually all other manufacturers do, regardless of whether or not they make changes to the product. If the argument was that sales were slipping already, then Nissan had a larger problem on their hands with respect to the Z and its place in the market. I don't know that...

Thoughtful response. A lot to digest, here. One fundamental disagreement I have is comparing the price in 2009 to 2022 when the 2020 model is the most recent example we can look at. *Only* in that case does the inflation-adjustment argument hold any water. In essence, what is being argued is...