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I'm just going to ignore the lunacy of this statement.

Untrue. Effortless acceleration is of major benefit both on and off of a track. Does that really require justification? I feel like we are all aware of that. The vast majority of drivers will *never* drive any vehicle in a track setting, whether it be their own vehicle or someone else's. The...

This point is often made, and it's honestly very accurate, in a narrow sense. In truth, it ignores a few important things, doesn't it? Like, if someone is shopping for a Z - or just a sports car akin to a Z - in the price category in which the Z is marketed, what comparable electric car is...

Yeah, this is rough-looking. It doesn't look organic with the way the Z's rear valance is designed.

I thought so, too, though it's a small sample size.

Oh, I've read them. But I think you're referencing the initial reactions more than the newer in-the-metal reviews of the car, where its design has been praised with far less qualification and hedging than it initially was at reveal. Nobody here needs to prove any of this out, we're having a bit...

You mean to suggest that more people prefer the concept to the production fascia, overall? Again, citations would be needed. I'd imagine that it's pretty split, and I don't know if many who dislike the concept are putting as fine a point on the exact "why" of it all as I am. Oh, I don't intend...

First - yes, they absolutely do. It looks amateur, like an aftermarket design wherein overall design cohesiveness was not a consideration. It isn't a bad idea, it's a poor execution. On the second point, citation needed as it relates to the "improvement" consideration. Maybe don't use the...

I'm with you on that. It seems less likely that there is a new design floating around than there just being a camouflaged test mule still running.

Oh, that cutout is atrocious. Fortunately, they aren't required in FL, but even in states where they are, I would mount it from the tow hook (assuming that wouldn't interfere too much with the amount of air for the dam). I agree about the nose, to an extent, but some angles of the finished...

Oh, I agree completely. I don't think it's the concept fascia, at all. It actually more closely resembles that Sketch Monkey render, though maybe not quite as wide at the lower corners.

Let's hope that it's not that fascia. At least not exactly that fascia. It isn't that bisecting the air dam cannot work, stylistically. In my view (and only mine, potentially), this is the issue with the concept from Tokyo - the mismatched angles and curvatures at the outer edges of the upper...

Exactly ?

It's interesting, I've seen quite a few testers running extremely disappointing 0-60 times. For reference, although MT quotes the 370Z as having been tested with a 5.2 second 0-60 time, if I recall correctly, that was a base spec manual which essentially behaves as if the rear tires were...

Seconded - this whole situation has convinced me to hang on to my 2017, as well. Woe is us ?

Still not buying it, though. Unless you are implying that the price increase is literally and entirely linked to performance gains. That would be quite an argument to make and one that would be ludicrously hard (read: impossible) to justify, particularly on a macro, industry level. It completely...

Well, it's a little more than $4k, if we're talking fully loaded. Factor in the silly paint prices, and it gets slightly worse, even if you omit the truly superfluous little options that are offered. ?

Something like that, yeah; full-tilt cars for the first model year, I figured $47k on the top end.

Thoughtful response! Though, I think this math is kind of illogical - you are comparing the start of one cycle to the absolute end of the next cycle, effectively taking into account two entire generational runs. We should be looking at where the previous generation's price ended, not where it...

Are they, though? At what point will the base C8 become 30% more expensive than the equivalent C7? Also, why can Nissan *not* afford to avoid price-gouging its customers all at once? Is the logic that they're so far behind in their pricing they simply *must* rapidly increase the MSRP of the Z so...