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Not that it's an identical scenario, but I still have nightmares about my VW GTI. Toyota dealerships servicing the Supra might lower some costs, but we're still dealing with BMW parts so I fear the exorbitant pricing will be unavoidable :rolleyes:

Ultimately, this is where I fall on the matter - it's the classic cost-of-ownership consideration. Viewed with a wide lens, both vehicles are quick (not really "fast," since that would be a top speed measurement and neither is particularly spectacular in that arena). The Supra is a much more...

Yeah, I've been stumbling across editorials about the signs pointing to a potentially-imminent auto loan default crisis on the horizon, as well. It's not here just yet but it may be coming in short order. Repossessions have yet to spike but there's been a steady increase in late payments this...

By all appearances, when Nissan salespeople are asked about the new Z's availability/pricing/proper-bloody-name, they're all instructed to change the topic and look for a manager.

Right, and that's the correct strategy. I don't think these need to start at $70,000, that seems counterproductive, but I have zero doubt that there will be models that exceed that price.

Totally possible! Although I'm thinking it'll start in a much lower price bracket than that since I suspect that Stellanis actually wants to move units in significant numbers and enjoy a similar level of success as they've seen with the current Challenger/Charger. If that ends up being true, you...

Even if this isn't someone's particular brand of whiskey, I think that all of us would applaud its presence on the roads. Seeing more EVs like this and fewer anonymous EVs that evoke the styling of soap-bars has got to be a good thing.

That will be the big test. Dodge has been able to bring concepts to market with the design basically in tact, in the past, so I have some faith that the vehicle that arrives in showrooms in a few years will look mostly like what we're seeing here (I anticipate there will be 2 and 4 door models...

Oh, yeah, not my style either. What I find most encouraging about this is that we finally have a manufacturer willing to make a mainstream (presumably, this should be relatively affordable) electric vehicle with two doors and a ride height lower than a CUV. This is a step in the direction of...

Oh boy, here we go. Dodge previewing what their electrified performance coupe will essentially look like. Thoughts? Dodge Charger Daytona SRT Concept: American Muscle in the EV Era (caranddriver.com)

Nah, you're thinking of the Hellcat/Demon. The Scat Pack is just an R/T (485HP isn't nothing, but it weighs so bloody much) so the MKV Supra would generally own one in most launches.

Yeah, that's where I fall on the matter. I just... I just can't drive a car every day that would routinely be embarrassed on a freeway ramp by any 2010s commuter sedan with a respectably-powerful V6. But, as jdrxb9 mentioned, it's really down to individual priorities. We've all got our...

Exactly right - sports car ownership largely comes down to feel. It's a game of priorities within priorities on top of sacrifices on top of considerations of the heart. I don't track my cars (my one car is my daily, and it will always be a sports car) so that particular aspect of the GR86's...

Yeah, but that's missing loads of context. In this situation, with the (admittedly small) upgrades they made to it, the GR86 was closer to the Z's track time than the Z was to the Supra's. Let's not generalize it to say that the cars are even in the same stratosphere in terms of speed and...

Whereas it does definitely feel like the VR30 is significantly closer to its edge (while maintaining factory mechanical components), from what I've read. Granted, I am admittedly no longer into the tuning game so I'm absolutely not an authority on the matter. It simply seems like the engine in...

I agree that the Z is likely more daily-livable than the Supra (I daily a 370, so it'll be similar in that regard) but I just keep coming back to the price, which you alluded to. Man, I really think that is part of the reason that people, myself included, have been more inclined to harshness re...

You're spot on. The value argument from Nissan is a little more dicey than I would have hoped going into this, but I obviously see the appeal of the car. It's lovely, it's powerful, and there is some potential here to grab a decent chunk of the remaining sports car market. The pricing does...

And if I had to choose with the current color options in either car, I'd go yellow, so you're looking at $425 from Toyota (as of 2022) and $1,295 from Nissan on that one. Jesus, Nissan is really gouging with the paints!

Not to worry, Nissan still has the opportunity to properly undercut the Supra on price in the future. They just need to expand the trim range since, currently, the only model that is relatively analogous to even the Base 3.0 MKV is the top-tier Performance Z (both vehicles offer things that the...