My patience just ran out.

[Jah_Happy]

I'm really beginning to warm up to the Z Sport. Over $12k cheaper and has the same 400hp?

I think I can live with the lower trim Z no prob

With what Ive been offered for my STI (super low miles), I think I'm right there with you. I'd add some goodies I really want, and save money on the mods I dont really need. I'm also convinced the performance models will all be sucked up for crazy prices so maybe we'll get lucky and some sport's will be lying around lol. May be my only chance to see a Z before 2025.

 

[trackratZ]

With what Ive been offered for my STI (super low miles), I think I'm right there with you. I'd add some goodies I really want, and save money on the mods I dont really need. I'm also convinced the performance models will all be sucked up for crazy prices so maybe we'll get lucky and some sport's will be lying around lol. May be my only chance to see a Z before 2025.

Good move, customize it later as needed, definitely way better aftermarket out there, we're seeing them already. Just a couple nice things you won't get are auto rev-match and the larger Nav screen, might not be that important to you anyway.

For me, I'd rather have a Z that's built to my needs anyway, customized with cool parts, more unique instead of pre-pkgd with stuff I don't need nor up to performance. I will try to get to SEMA since local enough. Want to see Dustin's build there.

 

[Jah_Happy]

Good move, customize it later as needed, definitely way better aftermarket out there, we're seeing them already. Just a couple nice things you won't get are auto rev-match and the larger Nav screen, might not be that important to you anyway.

For me, I'd rather have a Z that's built to my needs anyway, customized with cool parts, more unique instead of pre-pkgd with stuff I don't need nor up to performance. I will try to get to SEMA since local enough. Want to see Dustin's build there.

Absolutely! I just want to see any Z in person, I still havent seen one up close! Driving me nuts lol. I missed all the big shows the last few years so I missed out. Now im stuck waiting.

 

[Loco38SUP]

I'm really beginning to warm up to the Z Sport. Over $12k cheaper and has the same 400hp?

I think I can live with the lower trim Z no prob

So by $12K cheaper you mean still going to pay $55K for a stripped down Z?

-RJM

 

[Kbl911]

I'm really beginning to warm up to the Z Sport. Over $12k cheaper and has the same 400hp?

I think I can live with the lower trim Z no prob

I was actually thinking the *exact* same over the weekend ?

Seems dangerous without the LSD, however.

 

[StrikeS30]

I'm really beginning to warm up to the Z Sport. Over $12k cheaper and has the same 400hp?

I think I can live with the lower trim Z no prob

I've been pondering the same myself actually. I still have my order in for the Performance. But, still weighing the cost vs additions in my head. Just not sure myself up here in the Canada land can get an LSD/Larger brakes, different wheels and tires(although the Sport wheels are kinda neat) and the added creature comforts like the leather seats up here without paying an arm and a leg.

I really dig the factory spoiler and front lip, I think those are totally necessary for the styling for me personally.

I just honestly don't think I can make a Sport on the same level as a Performance as far as styling, interior, LSD, and brake upgrades to ship up north less than the same money from factory.

 

[Leo]

I'm really beginning to warm up to the Z Sport. Over $12k cheaper and has the same 400hp?

I think I can live with the lower trim Z no prob

Good luck not spinning out.

 

[Kbl911]

I really dig the factory spoiler and front lip, I think those are totally necessary for the styling for me personally.

I just honestly don't think I can make a Sport on the same level as a Performance as far as styling, interior, LSD, and brake upgrades to ship up north less than the same money from factory.

You know, it's interesting that you mention the aero bits from the Performance trim because, as I was doing a hypothetical Z Sport build online, I noticed that you can option the front and rear pieces independently on that trim, so you don't need to step up to the Performance for that aesthtic. Thought it was a good move by Nissan, actually.

The bigger issue, as you correctly pointed out, would be the mechanical aspects of the Performance that are just plain mandatory for most people. Brakes and rear differential, for certain (I, too, like the design of the Sport alloys), would need upgrading. I'm wondering if Nissan will just do away with the open differential entirely in future model years. Seems unsafe for a car this powerful that already has well-known traction issues.

 

[rocksandblues]

I was actually thinking the *exact* same over the weekend ?

Seems dangerous without the LSD, however.

I am going to wait and see what shows up in the ditches and then scan copart in a year or so. I would gut and cage one anyway and see how cheaply i could make a 400hp track toy. LSD, brakes, and try and lose a whole lot of weight.

 

[takemorepills]

Good luck not spinning out.

Please explain to me how one wheel peel is more dangerous than 2 wheel peel.
I'm ready to be enlightened by your expert take on the matter....

 

[Kbl911]

Please explain to me how one wheel peel is more dangerous than 2 wheel peel.
I'm ready to be enlightened by your expert take on the matter....

The biggest difference in everyday driving would be operating in non-dry conditions. Living in SWFL, a 400HP vehicle with an open diff could be insanely dangerous during wet season (6 months of the year, basically).

I don't have a death wish ?

 

[rocksandblues]

Please explain to me how one wheel peel is more dangerous than 2 wheel peel.
I'm ready to be enlightened by your expert take on the matter....

basically, you are losing 25% of your traction. Peeling out isn't so much of an issue (just weak sauce) but going through corners fast and trying to get on gas too soon (high hp + low skill) will be the issue.

 

[Leo]

Please explain to me how one wheel peel is more dangerous than 2 wheel peel.
I'm ready to be enlightened by your expert take on the matter....

Open diff = Easier to lose traction than with an LSD, inconsistent and unpredictable breakaway behaviour.

LSD = More traction than open diff, and even when you lose traction it tends to happen in a much more predictable and controllable way compared to an open diff.

 

[takemorepills]

This video compares an open vs LSD diff. Notice with the LSD, the application of throttle causes the tail to slide out more, with greater likelihood of swapping ends. Where as with the open diff, the driver was having trouble getting the tail to break loose. Something to consider in terms of normal road driving, slick surfaces and maintaining control.

Thank you!

This is what I meant.

Open diff is safer in certain conditions because primarily one wheel peels and the other one maintains some lateral traction. This also happens earlier, at lower limits and allows traction control to intervene sooner when it's safer for the average driver.

With LSD, if you are on a crowned road, or have lateral loading on a wet/slippery surface, both wheels will peel giving you nearly zero lateral traction. Ends will swap. And the new VR has more than enough power to spin both wheels.

Where the LSD is beneficial is for competent drivers, in the dry it gives far better traction from a stop, or coming out of a turn, and the oversteer that may happen is generally controllable and fun in the dry.

Also, in some cases, LSD is nice in bad weather, if you are a competent driver, you can rely on 2 wheels trying to get traction.

However, never is LSD "safer". If both back wheels break loose, unexpectedly, on slippery surface with a crown, your headed for the curb. If it happens mid-turn/corner, you're swapping ends.

I had a HLSD Trutrac installed on my truck. It's freaking dangerous in the wet, and I won't let my wife or son drive it on a slippery day. But it's awesome off-road and doesn't do one-wheel-peel anymore.

 

[ZDreamer]

I've seen some predictions to this effect, as well.

Interest rates have definitely not hit their ceiling yet and most projections have the peak coinciding with the beginning of at least a mild recession. Ironically, many also predict that next spring/summer is when supply chain issues will start to abate, which will cause a flood of vehicles to hit dealerships...just in time for nobody to be buying.

Might be perfect timing I guess. Right now, I'm waiting until December 2023, after my car note, for a Nissan Z Sport MT. Hopefully, it will be $43K OTD (to replace my current monthly payment)

Can't justify for a 3.0 Supra MT ($15K more), but right now the Supra appears to be more affordable (w/ all of the crazy ADM) than the Z.