A Great Conversation with Dan Passe on 2023 Nissan Z [Specs, Release, Pricing]

[LeatherWings]

I mean this isn't surprising. I don't know why anyone thinks they would mass produce thousands upon thousands of Zs considering the 370Z had very low sales the last few years of it's model year. It would only make financial sense to produce like ~1000 units the first quarter and see how they sell and then increase production each quarter from there if demand is high.

I get your point, but the whole purpose of a redesign is to reinvigorate sales - not so that they could continue to have less-than-stellar or paltry numbers.

With that said, I agree. It's not surprising, unfortunately - especially given the way this whole thing has been playing out thus far.

 

[FBD]

Yep that’s what I meant
This is a quote from a car publisher back in 2009 note “damn good deal”

“The only things we miss out on are the tasty 19-inch forged Rays alloys that are available on the top-line models in the USA and Japan, but with the 370Z retailing at $67,990 for the manual and $70,990 for the automatic (less than the outgoing 350Z Track), it's a damn good deal as it stands.”

Now if you click on this link, you can see you can buy a 2022 (made in 21) for just over 50k …and if your willing to have one that’s just a year old…37k
https://www.carsguide.com.au/nissan/370z/price

Now all that remains to be seen is the Zs new price, but as stated rumours are between 70-90k with most thinking 70-80k is a fair range

This is very interesting. And insightful. On the AUS dollar then...you'd have to ask yourself is the new Z worth 90K over one of the last remaining 370Zs you can still get new for 52k? Is it that much better? I saw one drive by today and its still a fetching car.

 

[FBD]

Just did a quick search. This 1990 Z32 TT with only 26,000KM is on sale here in BC for 70K.

Original sticker price $54, 985.00 CAD! How is that for a sanity check? Here's the link:

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/nissan/...7/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=1_6_6&sprx=-1

 

[jc604]

Crazy how we are still begging for some info still. Really hope nissan brings some news soon.

 

[McLovin157]

I leave this thread alone for a few hours and it goes to shit real quickly.

 

[takemorepills]

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Just did a quick search. This 1990 Z32 TT with only 26,000KM is on sale here in BC for 70K.

Original sticker price $54, 985.00 CAD! How is that for a sanity check? Here's the link:

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/nissan/...7/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=1_6_6&sprx=-1

Figuring in inflation compared to 90 MSRP, it is a decent deal for weirdo world we live in.
If it wasn't for the fact that it's becoming irreplaceable and one car accident could take it away, I'd rather have the Z32 than the new Z.

 

[McLovin157]

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Figuring in inflation compared to 90 MSRP, it is a decent deal for weirdo world we live in.
If it wasn't for the fact that it's becoming irreplaceable and one car accident could take it away, I'd rather have the Z32 than the new Z.

I just don’t like working on VG motors ?

 

[siggy]

Gonna stop ya right there. I know we're all frustrated at the continued lack of details, myself included, but Dan doesn't HAVE to continue to sign on here and reply to us whenever he has time, or has news to share. Nor does @McLovin157 HAVE to continue to sign on here, in his situation to provide insights into the dealer side of things and what he's able to pry out of the corporate overlords. I think it's a fair assumption, and beyond that, certain both have said as much, they're both doing it because they care—about the community and, of course, the car. I agree that the process has been less than ideal, I know I've said it as well, but I don't think either of them should be the target of our ire.

As someone who also works in an industry where discretion is SOP, I get why Dan is not sharing everything now. Yes, subjectively speaking it sucks, but objectively speaking its his livelihood at risk. It's also very possible there are a lot of things that have yet to be worked out! So, in turn, there's nothing to share. We don't know.

What has either provided, though? Actually genuinely curious. I haven't read every post on this forum, but I haven't come across anything either have said of real value. Not meant to be a personal attack. Just an observation on my part.

 

[McLovin157]

What has either provided, though? Actually genuinely curious. I haven't read every post on this forum, but I haven't come across anything either have said of real value. Not meant to be a personal attack. Just an observation on my part.

The point of the thread was to shed light on rumors that were going around as well as a place to further post information I’ve found. I understand it’s frustrating for everyone not getting the answers we want but the information either isn’t available or not known. Check the thread every so often and see what’s posted about the Z and it’s status

 

[Blackbeard]

Lol I feel like this is what we have become lol give us Frankenstein lol

 

[McLovin157]

Lol I feel like this is what we have become lol give us Frankenstein lol

FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Andaesthetics]

I get your point, but the whole purpose of a redesign is to reinvigorate sales - not so that they could continue to have less-than-stellar or paltry numbers.

With that said, I agree. It's not surprising, unfortunately - especially given the way this whole thing has been playing out thus far.

That is exactly the point, but looking at things from a financial standpoint there is no real way to gauge how a car will sell until looking at the first quarter and second quarter of sales. Of course we want sales to go up, but it's no secret that sports cars are in the minority of sales in the car market. Nissan is never going to produce the new Z at a high volume because the demand is simply never going to be high enough. Yes there is demand right now, but the current demand is from car enthusiasts, which again equates to a minority percent of car buyers. The average person does not give 2 shits about the Z. Hell most people probably still don't even know about the new Z.

Why do you think Nissan created the Ariya from the ground up and not the new Z? Because electric cars and SUVs are the most popular cars on the market.

The point of the thread was to shed light on rumors that were going around as well as a place to further post information I’ve found. I understand it’s frustrating for everyone not getting the answers we want but the information either isn’t available or not known. Check the thread every so often and see what’s posted about the Z and it’s status

Yet no real light or 100% solid info has been shed. Honestly it's just playing ping pong with rumors at this point and adding little random details that are already known or speculating further on other speculations.

 

[Donalex]

That is exactly the point, but looking at things from a financial standpoint there is no real way to gauge how a car will sell until looking at the first quarter and second quarter of sales. .

Listen, it's not their first rodeo. I'm sure they know EXACTLY what they're doing. It's not rocket science. That's why it takes years to launch a new or restyled model before the first panel is welded.

Typically, it takes about a billion dollars to get a car into the market, and that was a few years ago.

And, each successive edition of a nameplate employs legacy parts and platforms for a decade or more.

 

[Mardoc01]

Listen, it's not their first rodeo. I'm sure they know EXACTLY what they're doing. It's not rocket science. That's why it takes years to launch a new or restyled model before the first panel is welded.

Typically, it takes about a billion dollars to get a car into the market, and that was a few years ago.

And, each successive edition of a nameplate employs legacy parts and platforms for a decade or more.

Do you feel a roughly 9k base increase is correct for a car that is about 50 percent new from Prev model?

 

[Donalex]

Do you feel a roughly 9k base increase is correct for a car that is about 50 percent new from Prev model?

Nope, and that's why I'm not a player for a new one. I could see a three or four grand increase as justifiable.

I've only purchased one new car in my life and that was the MR2 Spyder, a car that Toyota imported only 2,000 a year. I drove three different ones for fourteen years.

I'm looking at two or three years down the road as depreciation does it's magic. My current Z32 is in mechanically and aesthetically excellent condition .