2023 Nissan Z Launch Delayed Until Summer 2022

[DevonK]

Gee, an extra $5,000 for yellow stitching, yellow calipers, bronze wheels, a special badge and bragging Rights seems a little steep, or am I missing something?

Pure money grab. But if the car does well you'd probably recoup it on resale.

 

[LZ23]

Well here is the latest:
Just got back from a private showing of the new Z (Red Performance Manual) and got an update from the most reputable dealer group in the region.
There are no Z cars waiting on the docks. I was there with the people who delivered the car and no carrier personnel had ever heard anything about "hundreds of Z cars sitting at the terminal". Full Stop. Some people will believe anything.

Here is the goods from the person who sits on the Nissan's National Advisory Council:
1. There are no cars in production at all whatsoever at this point.
2. The test drive on May 4th at the Nissan test track in the US was cancelled.
3. The first shipment of Z cars to come to Canada will be to give every deserving Z dealership ONE Z that cannot be sold. It will be the dealer car to sell all the rest.
4. The production run for the dealer cars will begin in June. Build time in 1 month. And 2 months to ship and clear and deliver to Vancouver, Canada.
5. There MAY be a few extra Z Cars for the first few "early backdoor" orders in this dealer shipment or there may not be.
6. Next production run is RUMOURED for the first allocations (if they didn't already get fulfilled with the dealer production run) will begin in July. Then 3 months later....boom....October. And that's if your one of the lucky ones at one of the lucky dealerships which I am, but I am just going to take a step back and patiently wait.

Anyone else who does not have a formal appointment or corporate relationship with Nissan Corporate is totally running on conjecture and those who listen to them are their prey. As if there are 100s of secret Z cars sitting at the terminal being held, waiting until June to be sold while the Nissan share price plummets due to wide spread corporate mis-managment. We all have to have a reality check here and start qualifying our sources and stop the ignorance of reckless comments from some noble customer who is hoping that the dullard from the dealership is telling the truth and not stringing them along for an eventual sale.

That seems to be the latest.

As for the car...I'm not a fan of red and it was kind of underwhelming. The exhaust sound is completely forgettable and quieter than a stock 370Z that was beside it. The interior was targeted and purposeful but it felt really cheap. The fit and finish cosmetically looked better than my 370Z Sport Touring Stillen but felt the same. The seating position and the fit and feel of the driving position felt exactly the same as my 370 except the bolstering was more noticeable and held you in place better. The shift lever was not at all close ratio like I thought it would be, but notched into place just fine and had a nice mechanical feel to it. The rest of the cabin was fine but my overall impression was like ok this is a fine car. Sales reps said the Performance will be 55K CAD and the Proto Spec will be 60K CAD. They will likely have full term financing at 4.5%. The black rims didn't seem to pop like I thought they would. Overall it calmed me down and made me more prepared to wait patiently rather than drive myself crazy. It did not feel markedly any better than sitting in my 370Z. Of course, we are going to need to drive this thing. And in Boulder Gray I think I would have been way more excited. Those are the impressions from a Z enthusiasts and this one will be my fourth. But for just a moment I was thinking...should I start looking around for something else? Didn't feel that special at all or that exotic. I'm a supporter so I'll probably go through with it (it was confirmed I'll be one the the first to get mine) especially given how cheap it is but I was surprised it didn't take my breath away. Also, the seats are cheap, I saw the outside red leather buckling under the weight of a bigger customer and thought to myself what the hell...

 

[Xeno]

But it is cool, great design, great value, but it didn't make you feel special like the 300ZX did. Just saying.

What do you mean by this, if you don’t mind elaborating?

 

[240SX]

We waited 2 yrs+. Whats another 2-3 months

 

[kwantum_shift]

We waited 2 yrs+. Whats another 2-3 months

I can see why it would be frustrating for some people, as it means the difference between driving it for a season before parking it for winter, or essentially going straight into storage if October launch is, in fact, accurate.

 

[therumblewagon]

Just heard from a GM I've talked to in the past and he said the following:

"Went to Orlando regarding the release of the new Z and it's looking like late this year...September or October. The chips situation has everything delayed now." I've asked for clarification, but wondering if there was a regional meeting—wouldn't surprise me, but curious if anyone else has heard similar.

As much as I hate to say it, this aligns with what was reported above. I can't imagine they'd want to make up delays like this, either, as it obviously impacts them.

 

[because_murica]

Just heard from a GM I've talked to in the past and he said the following:

"Went to Orlando regarding the release of the new Z and it's looking like late this year...September or October. The chips situation has everything delayed now." I've asked for clarification, but wondering if there was a regional meeting—wouldn't surprise me, but curious if anyone else has heard similar.

As much as I hate to say it, this aligns with what was reported above. I can't imagine they'd want to make up delays like this, either, as it obviously impacts them.

Jesus Christ, how hard is it to just make some more damn chips?

 

[Denver the Last Dinosaur]

"... The chips situation has everything delayed now."

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[Drseckzytime]

As for the car...I'm not a fan of red and it was kind of underwhelming. The exhaust sound is completely forgettable and quieter than a stock 370Z that was beside it. The interior was targeted and purposeful but it felt really cheap. The fit and finish cosmetically looked better than my 370Z Sport Touring Stillen but felt the same. The seating position and the fit and feel of the driving position felt exactly the same as my 370 except the bolstering was more noticeable and held you in place better. The shift lever was not at all close ratio like I thought it would be, but notched into place just fine and had a nice mechanical feel to it. The rest of the cabin was fine but my overall impression was like ok this is a fine car. Sales reps said the Performance will be 55K CAD and the Proto Spec will be 60K CAD. They will likely have full term financing at 4.5%. The black rims didn't seem to pop like I thought they would. Overall it calmed me down and made me more prepared to wait patiently rather than drive myself crazy. It did not feel markedly any better than sitting in my 370Z. Of course, we are going to need to drive this thing. And in Boulder Gray I think I would have been way more excited. Those are the impressions from a Z enthusiasts and this one will be my fourth. But for just a moment I was thinking...should I start looking around for something else? Didn't feel that special at all or that exotic. I'm a supporter so I'll probably go through with it (it was confirmed I'll be one the the first to get mine) especially given how cheap it is but I was surprised it didn't take my breath away. Also, the seats are cheap, I saw the outside red leather buckling under the weight of a bigger customer and thought to myself what the hell...

And there it is. I didn't get to feel the interior, just looked at it in person. Car looks incredible outside. Inside it's not bad designed. But I was able to pick out cheap plastics just by looking which is not good. The blue interior looks cool, but I'm afraid to see how it holds up, and I detailed cars on the side for some time, so I'm very concerned.

The exhaust sound is disappointing in the performance spec, which has a "sport muffler" and the base spec sounds awful.

My expectations have been tempered, my hype is basically gone. I think they'll try to charge near or at $50k for the performance trim, and it's not worth it with that low rent interior fit and finish, no adjustable dampeners, and being a rehashed car.

Performance will be good but possibly lacking to competition, modding will be good, but at that price point, it's up against superior products giving more value and quality for that money.

If Nissan can keep that price down to around $45-46k w/o dest for a performance manual, well then they have a good case.

I don't see any value in nearly $10,000 upcharge in the performance trim. And that added charge for "Proto spec" is even worse, and both would be blatant cash grabs with huge margins but not matching value to the consumer. The fact that the sport doesn't have a LSD and good brakes, or at least the ability to option them is telling of Nissan.

Nissan is in dire need of leadership. I don't expect much now, and will intensify my searches elsewhere. If I find something else fun enough, then so be it. GR86, M240i, GR Corolla, next-gen mustang even perhaps, new M2, new CTR, who knows. Hard to find like anything, but there are options.

 

[fliplover]

Gee, an extra $5,000 for yellow stitching, yellow calipers, bronze wheels, a special badge and bragging Rights seems a little steep, or am I missing something?

You're forgetting the special shift knob and matching yellow key fob. Those things add VALUE. C'mon man!

 

[Z hope]

And there it is. I didn't get to feel the interior, just looked at it in person. Car looks incredible outside. Inside it's not bad designed. But I was able to pick out cheap plastics just by looking which is not good. The blue interior looks cool, but I'm afraid to see how it holds up, and I detailed cars on the side for some time, so I'm very concerned.

The exhaust sound is disappointing in the performance spec, which has a "sport muffler" and the base spec sounds awful.

My expectations have been tempered, my hype is basically gone. I think they'll try to charge near or at $50k for the performance trim, and it's not worth it with that low rent interior fit and finish, no adjustable dampeners, and being a rehashed car.

Performance will be good but possibly lacking to competition, modding will be good, but at that price point, it's up against superior products giving more value and quality for that money.

If Nissan can keep that price down to around $45-46k w/o dest for a performance manual, well then they have a good case.

I don't see any value in nearly $10,000 upcharge in the performance trim. And that added charge for "Proto spec" is even worse, and both would be blatant cash grabs with huge margins but not matching value to the consumer. The fact that the sport doesn't have a LSD and good brakes, or at least the ability to option them is telling of Nissan.

Nissan is in dire need of leadership. I don't expect much now, and will intensify my searches elsewhere. If I find something else fun enough, then so be it. GR86, M240i, GR Corolla, next-gen mustang even perhaps, new M2, new CTR, who knows. Hard to find like anything, but there are options.

What do you think about 39k for a new 2022 Camaro SS . I’ve had a few Mustangs the last one was 2019 PP 5.0 w/supercharger. I had a lot of disappointments with that car. I’ve been waiting for 2 years now for a 2 dr Bronco and my dealer still knows nothing.
If the Z where here in June that would be a done deal but October? Not sure what to do but I guess I’m waiting

 

[FBD]

Well there's still a chance those sales reps are blowing wind on the price, why the hell would Nissan tell them anything at this point. But if is $60k for the performance, plus 2k freight, plus 7.8k tax, so about 70k CAD, I am definitely out. I can get a Miata RF with the sport package in Soul Red for under $53k out the door, and that's paying full MSRP.

EDIT: seems I misread, it is 60k for the proto, 55k Performance. Still too high but maybe doable.

By comparison my Corp leasing guy sourced me a used 2006 Cayman S with 60k Kms on it with a sticker of 46K.

 

[FBD]

What do you mean by this, if you don’t mind elaborating?

It is a good question. The 300ZX was a premium car meant to put the sports car world on notice. And it did. It was blowing away Corvettes and making Ferrari nervous. The interior was sculpted and although branded a grand tourer, still had the best seats I've ever sat in (with the full load leather). The dash and centre console sculpted around you like a fighter jet.

The new Z looks cool. Has a cool vibe. But the overall effect sitting in those seats are that it didn't feel any better than my 370. The steering wheel is nice, more bolstering on the seats, but the overall effect of the surfaces and materials seems cheap. It made me think of emailing back the dude I sold my Stillen 370Z to and see if he wanted to sell it back. NOW, driving this thing may change everything. But it doesn't have the feel of getting into even a Cayman or Boxster. The leather is cheap, looks like things will wear out quickly unless you are meticulous and careful. You have to sit in it. Now having said all of that I'll take delivery of one and if it doesn't hold up I can resel or trade for a Porsche.

 

[forcer]

i agree on the interior it feel pretty cheap in many areas. door panels probably the worst. there was a thread comparing it to supra interior and they are really different level. thats totally fine though as long as its priced accordingly... also not sure whats the whole point of the preorder and all the hype if delivery starts october+... this would mean that the car effectively 2023 spring season, so its a completely failed release compaign, even with the semiconductor shortage... this car should be one of the least dependent on semiconductors modern car with its MT and absense of high end electronic features, its not a full electric ariya or an S class

 

[indio22]

What do you think about 39k for a new 2022 Camaro SS . I’ve had a few Mustangs the last one was 2019 PP 5.0 w/supercharger. I had a lot of disappointments with that car. I’ve been waiting for 2 years now for a 2 dr Bronco and my dealer still knows nothing.
If the Z where here in June that would be a done deal but October? Not sure what to do but I guess I’m waiting

I test drove a 2-door manual trans Bronco at a Ford off-road event last week. Very nice vehicle on the trail - especially using the crawler gear. But the Bronco is unavailable to me. Probably Z won't be available to me until at least 2024. What good are vehicles you can't drive?

Ah Bronco. That scene makes my blood boil. All I wanted was one base 2-door version, to hit the mountain trails this summer. Instead I watch people buying multiple lux versions, for their pavement trips to the grocery store. Very nice vehicle, but that scene sure went south.

I've thrown my hands up, am outfitting our garage with new tool chest, 240v wiring etc ... and will spend the summer wrenching on our current vehicles with my kids. Maybe someday a car company will decide they want to sell me a new car.