Anotha One from C&D: Comparison Test: 2022 BMW M240i vs. 2021 Ford Mustang Mach 1 vs. 2023 Nissan Z vs. 2022 Toyota GR Supra 3.0

[because_murica]

man...that will be a collectors car

I doubt Ol' Bertha will ever be a collector's car, but all this talk is making reconsider giving her up.

Side note: give Slip Stream a shot if you're on the East Coast. It's pretty addicting.

 

[trackratZ]

My track bud's ZL1/1LE, so capable, he's got 325s stuffed, I'm still 3-4 secs off chasing him in the PP2 on most courses here. The chassis and suspension of that Camaro is top notch.

 

[takemorepills]

My friend has a Twin Turbo CTS that I believe is on the same platform as the Camaro.

I've never driven a newer Camaro, but judging by the CTS, it doesn't surprise me that the Camaro is held in high regard

 

[Blackbeard]

yea they share the Alpha platform, well the ATS and CTS both share with the maro

 

[takemorepills]

Every time y'all call it "maro"

 

[Blackbeard]

man for a min i thought this was octopus lol

 

[takemorepills]

man for a min i thought this was octopus lol

Hmmm, I see it!

Better?

 

[trackratZ]

Hmmm, I see it!

Better?

Wait, you guys eat ‘maro’??? ?

 

[takemorepills]

Wait, you guys eat ‘maro’??? ?

It occurs in my household....

Good stuff!

 

[White_turbo]

And they gave the win to the slowest car? The Mustang sounds amazing, but everytime you turn around you see one. They are a dime a dozen, along with the BMW. The Supra and Z are more rare and I think that's a good thing. The Supra is a hell of a car but that closed in cabin and sloping roof line would feel too small for me.

Maybe slowest in the drag strip but the Mach1 is going to wipe the floor on track against the Z. The Mach 1 isn't just any Mustang you see on the road, is every bit as good as the GT350 minus the difference in engine. I guess is hard to accept the truth as I do have high hopes of the new Z but it does sound like the car is just not quite up their in performance compared to similar cars in this price range.

 

[because_murica]

Maybe slowest in the drag strip but the Mach1 is going to wipe the floor on track against the Z. The Mach 1 isn't just any Mustang you see on the road, is every bit as good as the GT350 minus the difference in engine. I guess is hard to accept the truth as I do have high hopes of the new Z but it does sound like the car is just not quite up their in performance compared to similar cars in this price range.

Stock, yes, no question. However, the VR has more tuning potential out of the box vs. the Gen3 Coyote. Pair that with KW V3 and decent sway bars, I think the new Z could become a track weapon. That said, it's definitely not going to be cheap or cost effective vs. the price of stock Mach 1. But it can be done if that's your bag.

 

[because_murica]

Stock, yes, no question. However, the VR has more tuning potential out of the box vs. the Gen3 Coyote. Pair that with KW V3 and decent sway bars, I think the new Z could become a track weapon. That said, it's definitely not going to be cheap or cost effective vs. the price of stock Mach 1. But it can be done if that's your bag.

I forgot to mention brakes and tires of course. Again, not cheap whatsoever, but can be done.

 

[White_turbo]

Stock, yes, no question. However, the VR has more tuning potential out of the box vs. the Gen3 Coyote. Pair that with KW V3 and decent sway bars, I think the new Z could become a track weapon. That said, it's definitely not going to be cheap or cost effective vs. the price of stock Mach 1. But it can be done if that's your bag.

You can say that to just about almost any car, so is not really a valid point. The point is we are comparing cars that you can get for "similar money" from the dealership. OTS KW isn't going to perform better than the magniride on the Mach1, but I digress.

The only realistic change without distorting this whole argument is Nissan putting some real tires on the car but even then, it could only do so much to close the gap.

 

[because_murica]

You can say that to just about almost any car, so is not really a valid point. The point is we are comparing cars that you can get for "similar money" from the dealership. OTS KW isn't going to perform better than the magniride on the Mach1, but I digress.

The only realistic change without distorting this whole argument is Nissan putting some real tires on the car but even then, it could only do so much to close the gap.

It is totally a valid point since we ARE talking similar money. The Mach 1 C&D tested had the handling package. Add the elite package, which I think most of us would want, and you're looking at $65k MSRP for the Mach 1. If we just compare MSRP, that's $12k more for the Mach 1. That $12k could easily get you downpipes, intake, tune, coilovers, and tires on the Z. A tune and tires a lone can go quite a ways at closing the gap between the two.

Side note: C&D's comparison between a spec'd out Mach 1 and Performance spec Z doesn't really make any sense. The Mach 1 should be tested against an eventual Nismo Z, and the Performance spec Z should have been tested against a Performance Pack 2 GT - that would have been a much closer comparison in both price and performance.

 

[FBD]

Maybe slowest in the drag strip but the Mach1 is going to wipe the floor on track against the Z. The Mach 1 isn't just any Mustang you see on the road, is every bit as good as the GT350 minus the difference in engine. I guess is hard to accept the truth as I do have high hopes of the new Z but it does sound like the car is just not quite up their in performance compared to similar cars in this price range.

Yes the Mach1 is a very capable weapon. And they sound amazing. agreed. I just can't get over how bulky they look and I can't reconcile having a back seat in a sports car unless it is a Porsche 911. The Mustang is just so good, but it is just so common. I really do want to love it but I just can't. The whole thing just looks too bulky and too clumsy to me. And a japanese car will never be as affordable as good ol' American Iron. It just won't. And I'm glad Nissan didn't send the Z to be manufactured in Mexico or some dumb VW shit.