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This doesn't belong in this thread. Come on....

"who can ride like no others."

It really is disappointing. The title of the video is also very harsh. Lol

That is hideous. Most of the time, less is more IMO.

I specifically said "similar money from the dealership". You just cannot compare what you can do to a car with aftermarket parts to another car that is entirely from factory. I understand you can make your car the way you want the way it performs via aftermarket but that is not the same as...

You can say that to just about almost any car, so is not really a valid point. The point is we are comparing cars that you can get for "similar money" from the dealership. OTS KW isn't going to perform better than the magniride on the Mach1, but I digress. The only realistic change without...

Maybe slowest in the drag strip but the Mach1 is going to wipe the floor on track against the Z. The Mach 1 isn't just any Mustang you see on the road, is every bit as good as the GT350 minus the difference in engine. I guess is hard to accept the truth as I do have high hopes of the new Z but...

And there is the problem right there. For the "enthusiast", this car is not really hitting the right notes on paper from both price and performance for a sports car so there are arguably better options for these people. For the casual car buyer, your straight line performance (as I said before...

I don't understand the point of this argument. You can do a lot of things to a car by dumping money in it but it still doesn't change the fact that the car from factory underperforms compared to cars in the same-ish price range. There are just as many people who don't want to touch the tune and...

Have only read his so far but that seems to be the only good thing about the car which is disappointing. It's a bit much for the car with this initial review at over $50k for the performance trim.

The "new s2k" looks funny with the NSXish front end but the proportion of the car looks great. I hope it does happen as I missed a chancs to own one.

Look at the last paragraph I quoted you on. You made it sound like ADM wasn't a thing until the pandemic when everything goes wild because of certain country. The ADM practice didn't get invented with the pandemic. It only got amplified. You may not be blaming it on the pandemic but that was...

The ADM practice didn't happen because of the pandemic, but way to go to blame it on that.

Yeah. A happy ending would let me justify paying ADM. Has to be a hot female saleswoman though. And that is my point. He said he prefer a more personal experience over online dealing. My question is what does that even mean? I am just there to buy a car.

Because we all know even at MSRP, there is enough kick back/incentives etc. from the manufacturer to allow dealers to make money. Honestly, I will be ok with having the manufacturer set the price and that is the price I will pay and not have to deal with the numbers playing with dealer. What...

I said demand not supply. I understand the supply issue currently with this whole pandemic crap. But let's forget about the craziness in the last two years, the ADM is still very real for certain cars in the absence of any supply chain issue. When I say demand is artificial, I simply mean...

Not sure how consumer is pocketing the profit if they buy the car to drive. You are probably talking about car flipping but that only applies to specialty cars like the Porsche GT3 and such, which the Z is not. I understand this is a supply and demand thing but the demand is artificial because...

The response is about what I expected before I even read this. ? I am cross shopping the MKV Supra and the Z, what would you say to help me with this decision?

It ok to dream..But that's wishful thinking...I will be the first one to trade my r35 in for one. ?

I hope this will change the way new cars are sold in the future. I dread going into dealerships because 9 out of 10 times, the experience really sucks.