Whats your price breaking point for a Z???

[DevonK]

The Supra was designed to compete with the cayman. That is a fact. The Z was designed to compete with the Supra. That is a fact.

Well certainly from a marketing perspective, making claims that you're using a highly rated competitive benchmark such as the more costly Supra generates good media buzz. We'll see whether the car measures up soon enough. The Nismo will probably be there, but of course it will also cost about the same.

 

[Jdawg_89]

The Supra was designed to compete with the cayman. That is a fact. The Z was designed to compete with the Supra. That is a fact.

It's looking more like the only way the Z will be competitive with the supra is in price. We know from Nissan that they have at least benchmarked the car against the supra, sure. But by their own continued statements undermining the Z's performance, and recent revelations about it's weight gain, doesn't seem like its going to be comparable.

 

[TiresAlwaysFlat]

The participants here are hardly a representative potential market sample, I'd flunk any student who based their pricing structure in a car project on what avid model-specific forum members are willing to cough up. And no, US prices do not "closely reflect" Canadian prices much of the time in this segment, especially for Nissan Zs. Just take a look at the MSRP pricing for a 2020 370Z Sport Touring AT:

USA: $39,480 USD
Canada: $46,498 CAD

At the time those prices would have been set in early 2019, the exchange rate was about 1.3 CAD/1 USD which would give a MSRP to the Canadian car based solely on the exchange rate of $51,324 CAD, $4826 more than the real CAD MSRP. So Nissan ate 40% of the currency exchange differential to sell the car cheaper here in 2020. If they do the same thing with the new Z, and we estimate the Performance will be $47k in the US, then given the current exchange rate of about 1.25 CAD/1 USD, we get the formula (47000*1.25) -.40(47000*1.25 -47000) which gives $54,050 as the estimated Canadian MSRP, which is a long way from $60k.

As this price is still considerably above the last 370Z Nismo, I still think it's likely to come in a bit lower than this, but with the recent inflation, who knows. Not sure the Supra is really in the new base Z's market segment, that is a premium car more aligned with the base Cayman. The upcoming Nismo is a different story. Realistically, pony cars are more in the base Z's bailiwick.

America 3.0 Supra Premium 54 790 that's 69 976 CAD.
Canada 3.0 Supra Premium 68 460 CAD.

A lot has changed in todays car economy since 2019. I'm just using the Supra cause its what the new Nissan Z is clearly directly competing with. Nissan said low 40K USD starting for base/sport.. so I'm using that and basing my estimate on 47-48K USD tops {60Kish CAD) for Performance trim then doing a quick currency exchange.. If you feel that's too much for you that's fine.. but that's what I'm prepared to pay for the new Z considering I don't like any of the other vehicles at my price range. Obviously I would love to be totally wrong and if the price is as you say it is 51K CAD tops then the better for me.. more money for mods.

 

[Haste]

It's looking more like the only way the Z will be competitive with the supra is in price. We know from Nissan that they have at least benchmarked the car against the supra, sure. But by their own continued statements undermining the Z's performance, and recent revelations about it's weight gain, doesn't seem like its going to be comparable.

I agree here, price and subjectively looks. In independent performance testing I expect the Supra to outperform the Z across-the-board but will be elated if I'm wrong. Hopefully further down the road we'll get to see what a Nismo Z brings to the table and what kind of fight it puts up against a comparatively priced Mk5.

For the MT Z driver (& really for the auto Z driver as well), Toyota adding a MT Supra is only a good thing in real-world scenarios since it becomes that much more of a driver's race/competitive than if the 3.0 were to stay AT only. All of this is assuming that the Sport & Performance Z's perform as I expect them to and not better.

 

[fliplover]

After this tidbit, I’ve changed my answer to 30k!

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/threads/30k-base-announced-for-real.812/

 

[BJM2021]

For whats is worth, my dealer in Vancouver Canada, told me he is guessing at launch the Z will be $3000-$4000 higher (plus freight/PDI) then the last 370 touring or full loaded model at then. We will see how accurate he is.

 

[240SX]

The Supra was designed to compete with the cayman. That is a fact. The Z was designed to compete with the Supra. That is a fact.

Serious question here. Has it actually beat the Cayman in any head to head testing?

 

[Lin626]

MSRP

Same here, I can wait a year or so for the hype to die down.

 

[siggy]

Let's just agree that nobody should be paying ADM. If you do, you either have too much money and no brain to process things logically in terms of car buying decisions.

Utterly ridiculous comment. I don’t agree with you, at all. Sounds like you don’t have the means to pay ADM. At least you have the brains to bow out…

 

[memelord]

Serious question here. Has it actually beat the Cayman in any head to head testing?

Ring Time:
Cayman S (350hp): 7:46
2020 Supra (335hp): 7:52




Supra pulls hard on rolls. European Supras do not get the 382hp in the states. They get the 335hp only. The Cayman GTS has 394hp

 

[West Aussie]

Utterly ridiculous comment. I don’t agree with you, at all. Sounds like you don’t have the means to pay ADM. At least you have the brains to bow out…

Are you a dealer?
I don’t get why you would think it’s ridiculous….it looks like the US is the only place I happens. Canada and Aus they break the law if they sell about sticker price

 

[trackratZ]

I'm only gonna measure the Z's performance against the competition at MRLS, let's see where it lands. I don't think it will beat any I6 Supra in drags.

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988

 

[siggy]

Are you a dealer?
I don’t get why you would think it’s ridiculous….it looks like the US is the only place I happens. Canada and Aus they break the law if they sell about sticker price

What don’t you get? The poster called out someone’s intelligence. Lots of people have FU money. If you have millions, you want something, and it costs $5k extra, you buy it. It’s all relative. MSRP is just a suggested price. The market determines price. Saying someone has no brains because they are paying ADM is just asinine. The poster is just jealous he/she doesn’t have the means.

 

[White_turbo]

Utterly ridiculous comment. I don’t agree with you, at all. Sounds like you don’t have the means to pay ADM. At least you have the brains to bow out…

First of all, calling out people wasn't really my point or intention, but I think I can see you feel personally attacked.

But yeah you are right,. I don't have the means to pay ADM and even if I do, I wouldn't pay ADM on anything that is mass produced with no production limit because that would be stupid.

If you read carefully I specially said "no brains to process common sense in car buying decision". I have no doubt if you have FU money, you have a lot more brains than I do, but that doesn't mean paying ADM for a car like this is smart.

Sounds like you are willing to pay whatever ADM on this car so good for you. We just have to agree to disagree. Sorry if I pissed in your cheerios. ?

 

[West Aussie]

What don’t you get? The poster called out someone’s intelligence. Lots of people have FU money. If you have millions, you want something, and it costs $5k extra, you buy it. It’s all relative. MSRP is just a suggested price. The market determines price. Saying someone has no brains because they are paying ADM is just asinine. The poster is just jealous he/she doesn’t have the means.

I agree the insult wasn’t great…but you are now also being aggressive.
MY point was I got understand why you believe that everyone HAS to pay above MSRP…..it doesn’t happen anywhere else, so why should dealers in the US get away with it ?
It is possible not to charge above sticker because no other country allows it …that’s my point.
Just because you can afford to pay dosent mean a dealer should be taking advantage….and just because you refuse to pay does not mean you can’t afford not too, it just means you are not prepared to line the pockets of someone taking advantage of your desperation to own the car
It does nothing for the brand either.