What will stop you from owning the new Z?

[West Aussie]

Is there some kind of change to license & rego rules to factor in safety? I must admit I haven't paid a great deal of attention to the breakdown of charges. I agree that a warranty is nice safety net on a car purchase though

It’s different for every state and there has been talk about it, but as yet it’s mostly based on the weight of the car.
However lower safety ratings do impact your insurance fees

 

[Andaesthetics]

The 370Z still seems like a reasonable competitor to the new Z here in AU, especially given the possible/likely price disparity. I see you have a 370Z, out of curiosity what's the main appeal of the new Z for you? I feel like the infotainment could use some modernisation, but otherwise it seems like a solid sports car?

I got my 370Z over 2.5 years ago now. The main appeal for me is that I love cars and I wanted a sports car as my next car no matter what. The main cars I was shopping between were the 13'+ 370Z coupe, ~13'-15' Infiniti G37/Q60 coupe, ~13' BMW M3 coupe, ~14' BMW M235i coupe, or ~14' Mercedes CLA45 AMG. The CLA45 AMG was kind of an odd ball out, as it is a sedan, but none-the-less it is still a very capable sports car.

I went with the 370Z because I found one that was a great deal, but also because it stuck out to me most with it's unique looks, it's got pretty good power, and it's a fairly uncommon car. I'm not sure how it is where you live, but I can say here where I live in the US the 370Z is not a car you see often. Where as, for example a Mustang GT you see left and right on a daily basis. And yes the infotainment and interior overall are very dated, but it doesn't bother me. What's more important to me is how the car feels and looks on the exterior.

As far as the New Z, the appeal for me is that I already love the 370Z platform and they have updated everything I'd want for the new Z. Better interior, forced induction, more power. After I pay off my 370Z next year I am considering trading it in for the new Z or a used BMW M2. Those are the 2 cars highest on the totem pole for me.

 

[indio22]

To be completely honest at this point I'm curious as to how many people that say they plan on getting the new Z, actually end up getting one. The Z is such a niche car IMO, and I can tell you the car is not for everyone. Seeing people posting saying that if they can't get the new Z, they are considering getting an SUV, truck, or other non-sportscar? How does one go from wanting a 2 seater, RWD sports car to considering a completely different class of vehicle? Typically I would think that if you're looking to buy a new car you'd compare amongst cars that are all in the same segment, but to each their own I guess.

I'm willing to bet the majority of people here that say they're planning on getting the new Z don't actually ever get it. That's just fine because at the end of the day less demand = lower prices. Not calling anyone out or talking down, but I think a lot of people are just riding the hype train. Now that the hype train has slowed down, I see many jumping off.

I recommend anyone not familiar with the Z platform try to look for 370Zs or Q60 Redsports at dealerships in your area and take one on a test drive in the mean time until the new Z is here. This will give you the best idea of how the new Z will feel and if it's the right car for you.

Yeah it might seem odd for people to be considering a 4x4 vs sports car, two vehicles of much different genres and usages.

To answer your question, my household already has several vehicles, including two older open-top 4x4s, and a first gen BRZ. Funds are not unlimited. I'm a long time open-top 4x4 guy, but the BRZ has given me the bug for higher pavement performance.

So, I've been considering either a new Bronco to replace one of my aging 4x4s, or a new Z to replace the BRZ (or keep the BRZ and have one less 4x4). Either way, I would still have a vehicle and functionality in both genres.

In terms of price, I'd say each $1000 closer to 50k for the Z, reduces my inclination to buy, probably more than some other folks.

 

[tcaustin]

Well I may not be getting my Z after all. My wife is quitting her job and I just found out that I get to give the government a bunch more money so they can waste it. And I'm about to have two kids in college at the same time. First world problem I know….

 

[NiZmonium]

I'll just add that the Q60 Red Sport is obscenely expensive. Of course it has rear seats, leather, sunroof and can be had with AWD, but they begin at low 60's, which in the market space they occupy is a heavy price compared to the competition.

And that's why you only see 1 or 2 a day. 60k for a Nissan car is ridiculous

 

[FBD]

I wish they'd announce prices immediately just to bring the seemingly endless and repetitive speculations about pricing here to a screeching halt....

Agreed. Completely. While we all dream about what wheels and exhaust...we don't even have a car in hand.

 

[FBD]

I think I have figured out their tactics…at least in the Aus/ Canadian market.
generate as much interest as possible, open orders…fill orders plus more, making sure there is a deposited, which although is refundable makes it harder for those who have fallen in love to revoke said order.
Depending on the amount placing orders (and in Aus it’s high) set price accordingly..if they lose half their orders, they don’t care because they have enough interest to fill that half again.
They will release the price a few weeks to a month before …again making it harder to pull out as everyone will be excited that the release is just around the corner

However I think they are pushing their luck and could lose way more than what they think they will….and it could backfire royally

That is how backyard low jack corporations operate. Nissan would never recover from something like that. So what...they try that now with the Z after announcing a 40K starting point? Only to come out with a 60K sticker? Not going to happen. If they ever attempted something like this...they would completely annihilate their customer base not only for any future Z sales, but they would never launch another GTR.

 

[FBD]

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And that's why you only see 1 or 2 a day. 60k for a Nissan car is ridiculous

yep and in Canada a base 718 Cayman is 67K. Its the 350HP 4 turbo but its still a porsche.

 

[takemorepills]

Man I wish Nissan would hurry the hell up.

My local Toyota dealer now has the new Tundras sitting on the lot. In the colors and trims I like. I guess the high gas prices has pumped the brakes on trucks because these were unobtanium just 3 weeks ago. The trim I would like is just under $51K. (rationally I should be replacing my 16 y/o truck before I get a Z, but.....I can only buy one expensive toy) so if the new Z is anywhere near that it is going to be real difficult to justify paying that much for a "useless" 2 seater.

Don't get me wrong, I am not cross-shopping, I am resisting getting a new truck because I am really certain I would rather have a Z and nurse my old truck along. But realizing a 2022 Tundra 4WD with TRD Off-Road and locking rear diff is only $51K is going to make anything over low 40's for a performance Z tough to justify in my circumstances.

 

[Mardoc01]

Man I wish Nissan would hurry the hell up.

My local Toyota dealer now has the new Tundras sitting on the lot. In the colors and trims I like. I guess the high gas prices has pumped the brakes on trucks because these were unobtanium just 3 weeks ago. The trim I would like is just under $51K. (rationally I should be replacing my 16 y/o truck before I get a Z, but.....I can only buy one expensive toy) so if the new Z is anywhere near that it is going to be real difficult to justify paying that much for a "useless" 2 seater.

Don't get me wrong, I am not cross-shopping, I am resisting getting a new truck because I am really certain I would rather have a Z and nurse my old truck along. But realizing a 2022 Tundra 4WD with TRD Off-Road and locking rear diff is only $51K is going to make anything over low 40's for a performance Z tough to justify in my circumstances.

Agree

 

[FBD]

To be completely honest at this point I'm curious as to how many people that say they plan on getting the new Z, actually end up getting one. The Z is such a niche car IMO, and I can tell you the car is not for everyone. Seeing people posting saying that if they can't get the new Z, they are considering getting an SUV, truck, or other non-sportscar? How does one go from wanting a 2 seater, RWD sports car to considering a completely different class of vehicle? Typically I would think that if you're looking to buy a new car you'd compare amongst cars that are all in the same segment, but to each their own I guess.

I'm willing to bet the majority of people here that say they're planning on getting the new Z don't actually ever get it. That's just fine because at the end of the day less demand = lower prices. Not calling anyone out or talking down, but I think a lot of people are just riding the hype train. Now that the hype train has slowed down, I see many jumping off.

I recommend anyone not familiar with the Z platform try to look for 370Zs or Q60 Redsports at dealerships in your area and take one on a test drive in the mean time until the new Z is here. This will give you the best idea of how the new Z will feel and if it's the right car for you.

Great comments. Fully agree. You can't entertain and a Z and then say you want an SUV or a pickup. This will be my fourth Z and owning the previous models gives me full confidence in this one. I have bought many sports cars sight unseen and am comfortable. The 370Z was a great car. Yes, there was room for improvement. When I bought it new the sales guy swore up and down about blue tooth for my iphone. I got a great deal so I grabbed it. No bluetooth and not even a usb port! I had a mini jack plugging my iphone into the head unit! Still, with even those detractors it was a great, and very focused, car. Not for the faint of heart. If you want a Z you should probably have already driven one. The ZX in 300ZX stood for a "grand tourer" and it was very comfortable. The 370Z was not a ZX. It was a dedicated sports car with a stiff chassis and very direct driving experience. I enjoyed long road trips. But not everyone would. For this reason I know that I want a Z, and will be very curious to see how they've improved damping and the ride.

 

[West Aussie]

That is how backyard low jack corporations operate. Nissan would never recover from something like that. So what...they try that now with the Z after announcing a 40K starting point? Only to come out with a 60K sticker? Not going to happen. If they ever attempted something like this...they would completely annihilate their customer base not only for any future Z sales, but they would never launch another GTR.

Whilst I agree in theory, the 370z was 70k on release in 2009 here in Australia now it’s around 52k …so 20k difference….and a price of 70k 13 years ago.
realistically we could well be looking at 80k or more only for it to drop as demand wanes…just like last time

 

[LeatherWings]

You can't entertain and a Z and then say you want an SUV or a pickup.

lol, says who? Is it really that hard to understand why some people who are considering a Z might end up going with a more utilitarian vehicle the longer that Nissan drags this out, and if the price ends up being too high for them to justify it in their budget?

 

[BurninateZ]

As far as the New Z, the appeal for me is that I already love the 370Z platform and they have updated everything I'd want for the new Z. Better interior, forced induction, more power. After I pay off my 370Z next year I am considering trading it in for the new Z or a used BMW M2. Those are the 2 cars highest on the totem pole for me.

Thanks mate, that's great to hear. The 370Z always struck me as great value and it still sits in the back of my mind as a viable option if the new Z winds up being too expensive here.

I'm not sure how it is where you live, but I can say here where I live in the US the 370Z is not a car you see often. Where as, for example a Mustang GT you see left and right on a daily basis.

For a long time I would have said that we (in AU) had way more 370Z's on the road than Mustangs, but that has been changing for the last few years. I think I probably see more Mustangs as well now. I do regularly drive past a white 370z Nismo though and that thing catches my eye every time.

 

[FBD]

lol, says who? Is it really that hard to understand why some people who are considering a Z might end up going with a more utilitarian vehicle the longer that Nissan drags this out, and if the price ends up being too high for them to justify it in their budget?

To echo the other poster's comment on here about how many people are ACTUALLY going to acquire a Z car...there is no world in which I would be considering a Z car to only abandon it for a pickup. Yes everyone can decide for what is best for them. Just don't think buying a pick up has ANYTHING to do with why we have all been talking about getting a Z car. Completely unrelated products that do not translate to each other. Unless you are going to buy both.