What will stop you from owning the new Z?

[Houston.RZ34]

i may be out of the Z game for now...

took a look at a mkiv yesterday and i think i may pick this up instead.

You better have a garage, you'll wake up and find out it's gone on an adventure without you otherwise - 90s cars are getting snatched left and right.

 

[DPHC]

I will never ? give into Dealership Greed and allow them to legally steal my ???

 

[Drseckzytime]

Price, Performance, and driving experience could stop me currently. I do not want to be taken advantage of during a medical pandemic either, it's a bad look.

If the price encroaches on other cars I can more easily justify on the price for what you get, then that'll stop me fast. M240i and certain Mustang price points for example.

If the performance is disappointing, especially for the money, I'll just go elsewhere of course. I'm expecting low 4's with the 6-spd now, good skidpad, and how well it handles it's weight. Since it's not a variable suspension, I'm worried it will be too firm or too soft. I can fix the suspension quickly, but I'm not paying $50k for something I need to do massive changes to. I'll get something else.

Stealership mark ups and availability are huge here for me. They can easily mark them up to no go land quickly, especially when I can get a M240i or Supra with no mark up. Nissan would also lose a second daily driver sale from me as well. I hope Nissan made a lot of these.

But Nissans silence for this long, especially after Canada, Australia, and Japan getting more info and ordering than the US, and especially their silence on pricing, weight, and availability is becoming very alarming.

It's like Nissan forgot the US exists. It's crazy. Car is supposed to be on sale in spring, that's just weeks away.

 

[takemorepills]

i may be out of the Z game for now...

took a look at a mkiv yesterday and i think i may pick this up instead.

Beautiful car, great choice.

However, I could never own something like that if it didn't make sense to daily drive it.

These older machines are classics and can't be replaced, especially now that people seem to be driving worse than ever (despite much safer vehicles, car fatalities are way up because people are getting into wicked wrecks) and I would be pissed to get hit in a car like that, let alone worry about it in a parking lot. It would be way too difficult to enjoy.

The new Z will be available for a few years as a new car, so I don't mind as much, if something bad happens to it because it's replaceable/fixable while it's young

As it gets older, if I like it enough, I can retire it to garage duty, but before then I'm not worried to drive it anywhere I want.

 

[takemorepills]

I will never ? give into Dealership Greed and allow them to legally steal my ???

I like to remind people, not only are you rewarding greedy dealers, but you'll likely be paying taxes on that greed too, and last I checked no one wants to pay more taxes!

 

[takemorepills]

It's like Nissan forgot the US exists. It's crazy. Car is supposed to be on sale in spring, that's just weeks away.

Well, I had to cut my grass for the first time this season, and I thought to myself "where the fuck is the new Z, as far as I'm concerned, this is spring"

 

[Denver the Last Dinosaur]

... and last I checked no one wants to pay more taxes!

Not quite true ...

Warren Buffett and Bill Gates agree that the rich should pay higher taxes—here’s what they suggest​

CNBC.com​

 

[takemorepills]

Not quite true ...

Warren Buffett and Bill Gates agree that the rich should pay higher taxes—here’s what they suggest​

CNBC.com​

Yeah, and somehow making the rich pay more taxes ends up with us plebs having our transactions monitored for tax evasion.

 

[fliplover]

I like to remind people, not only are you rewarding greedy dealers, but you'll likely be paying taxes on that greed too, and last I checked no one wants to pay more taxes!

I have an older brother who got into computer programming back in its infancy and has done pretty well for himself. He loves to talk about how the wealthy should pay their "fair share" then turn around brag about how much money in taxes his accountant saves him every year.

 

[jdm-rhd]

Holy crap, that thing is CLEAN. interior look just as good?

it's decent for its age.
has a few minor things needed to get squared away.

Man this right here!

the mkiv is my favorite car.
hopefully things work out.

 

[jdm-rhd]

You better have a garage, you'll wake up and find out it's gone on an adventure without you otherwise - 90s cars are getting snatched left and right.

yeah that scares me. i built a 60x40x14 shop with 2 bays the middle of last year just to keep them safe and so i can tinker. heres a pic (my avatar)

 

[jdm-rhd]

Beautiful car, great choice.

However, I could never own something like that if it didn't make sense to daily drive it.

These older machines are classics and can't be replaced, especially now that people seem to be driving worse than ever (despite much safer vehicles, car fatalities are way up because people are getting into wicked wrecks) and I would be pissed to get hit in a car like that, let alone worry about it in a parking lot. It would be way too difficult to enjoy.

The new Z will be available for a few years as a new car, so I don't mind as much, if something bad happens to it because it's replaceable/fixable while it's young

As it gets older, if I like it enough, I can retire it to garage duty, but before then I'm not worried to drive it anywhere I want.

so the plan is to semi-daily (2-3 a wk) this supra and make my other mkiv the Sunday driver/garage queen.

daily duties will be handled by my 86 and xr. i drove my first mkiv 4-5 times a week for 3 to 4 years.

the plan for the Z was to drive it 3-4 times a week.

 

[Haste]

yeah that scares me. i built a 60x40x14 shop with 2 bays the middle of last year just to keep them safe and so i can tinker. heres a pic (my avatar)

 

[jdm-rhd]

? they are both at the rotary shop...

the baby blue one (aka papa smurf) is getting a new wiring harness to combat the usual gremlins.

the widebody (aka blue dorito) is getting an air-ride system and quick release front bumper set-up.

both are getting tow hooks for the front and back as well as all fluids flushed and replace.

not sure if you saw my pics i posted of them a while back when they picked them up. excuse the dirt, they were under car covers for months during winter.

 

[Salito]

i know most here seem like huge fans of the car. im really excited about it myself.
been lurking for a while and decided to join as we finally get closer to knowing all soon.


tl/dr: what will stop you from purchasing the new z?


so im coming from the point of buying a new dd. my current is an 05 x-runner, she has been a great ride and ive put over 230k miles on it.
was needing a dependable gas saver (lol...yeah right!) for my long commute. my wife suggested i get an suv, namely the subaru crosstrek.
im wanting an awd, but not sure if i was ready to give up rowing gears and being dropped low.

so i talked her into a wrx or sti. i came really close to buying one, but lost out on a few during bidding. also, the prices on them have skyrocketed.
the 2022 wrx has been delayed, but it is a whole new model. it sounds like it will be a great new platform. i kept seeing all the z talk over the past year and decided it was worth waiting and seeing how these turned out.


heres what will keep me from purchasing the z...


1. if the z ends up being way over the $35k starting price.
i could not justify this for a daily because of the ability to carry stuff i need for work occasionally, but i can still use the xrunner then.
or if the gas mileage is too bad (lol). my xr gets 15/19. im 75% sure i'll get one if all we've heard so far is true.
if those dont stop me, one of these other cars might...

2. 2022 wrx/sti
waiting to see specs & price. some are really excited about while others are meh. no one will know for sure until its announced, but im holding off just incase this ends up being the new car to have. the awd is the main seller for me with weather etc. also you can carry quite a bit plus more passengers. the gas mileage on the lower trims arent too bad. the sti? forget about it....

3. late model wrx/sti.
if i run across the "right one" i may snag it. im still scoping all the car venues in case, but as ive mentioned the prices are way out there now.
finding one that has low miles and the engine not modded out of this world is harder than you think.


4. 2023 lotus emira (just saw this today)
i could afford to get it, but it would be utterly and totally irresponsible on my part...lol. i couldnt carry anything, the gas milage would suck and it would just end up in my shop collection dust like my supra and 2 fd's. seriously though...it is a gorgeous car. to be honest i need to keep the price of my next dd at 30-45k.

5. world war 3 or another corona apocalypse....or if we find out bmw is building it for nissan.

so, for those of you who have planned on getting the z, just curious, what would stop you?

1)Price, if the prices go into the fifties the Supra and Z4 are a strong alternative, even a pre owned Cayman or Boxster and if it gets close to the sixties I rather buy a new Corvette C8 or lightly optioned Cayman. For just a few thousand dlls extra.
The Z is beautifully designed and with 400 HP a serious sports car, but what makes it so far my first choice is the price advantage, which has to be around 15 thousand under a base C8 or Cayman which can be purchased for just over 60K
2)bad reviews after it gets road tested.