Is "Super Black" a wrap?

[Heavy Dupree]

I can only imagine wrapping would be more expensive and time consuming. Not something you could get good reliable results from an automated robotic line.
It certainly wouldn't be good enough where people couldn't tell the difference between the wrap and a paint job.

I'd say the colour paint has been applied first and then masked and black layer down creating the thicker lip for the black.

Exactly the opposite. Wrapping would be cheaper and less time consuming. Painting an area like the hatch black over the base color (white in this example) would require masking, prep, dry time, and demasking, it would also need to be done while the car is still inside the paint booth. A precut, small piece of wrap can be laid down right on the assembly line.

I'm not defending this shit, car makers do this all the time with blackout tapes for trim.

https://blog.lintecauto.com/how-paint-replacement-films-can-save-automotive-oems-thousands

 

[trackratZ]

Exactly the opposite. Wrapping would be cheaper and less time consuming. Painting an area like the hatch black over the base color (white in this example) would require masking, prep, dry time, and demasking, it would also need to be done while the car is still inside the paint booth. A precut, small piece of wrap can be laid down right on the assembly line.

I'm not defending this shit, car makers do this all the time with blackout tapes for trim.

https://blog.lintecauto.com/how-paint-replacement-films-can-save-automotive-oems-thousands

Great to know, today's economics for the bottom line, I see the point. I'll have to drive down to my local dealer and check out the Proto again about that black two-tone treatment.

 

[takemorepills]

Exactly the opposite. Wrapping would be cheaper and less time consuming. Painting an area like the hatch black over the base color (white in this example) would require masking, prep, dry time, and demasking, it would also need to be done while the car is still inside the paint booth. A precut, small piece of wrap can be laid down right on the assembly line.

I'm not defending this shit, car makers do this all the time with blackout tapes for trim.

https://blog.lintecauto.com/how-paint-replacement-films-can-save-automotive-oems-thousands

Maybe that's why the old bones Z costs so much?

 

[Mud]

Exactly the opposite. Wrapping would be cheaper and less time consuming. Painting an area like the hatch black over the base color (white in this example) would require masking, prep, dry time, and demasking, it would also need to be done while the car is still inside the paint booth. A precut, small piece of wrap can be laid down right on the assembly line.

I'm not defending this shit, car makers do this all the time with blackout tapes for trim.

https://blog.lintecauto.com/how-paint-replacement-films-can-save-automotive-oems-thousands

A wrap would require manual labour wouldn't it? Which wouldn't be cost effective?
As I said, I can't see this being done by a robot.
Also paint needs to cure quite some time before you can lay down wrap (if you want it to come off later without affecting the paint)

I don't think they paint the whole car the base colour, then over paint with black. I believe they would only paint colour over about 10-20mm to where the black was being overlaid.

Were you saying they paint the entire car a whole colour and then overlay the wrap?
Painting and then wrapping. That doesn't sound cost effective.
Or that's what I thought was inferred in the thread with the pics of the white car with "wrap removed"


Edit: just read the link, and that looks very interesting. I get where you're coming from.?

Edit 2: I don't own a new Z yet to go and take a good hard look, but I have washed one 4 times. And each time I cursed the black paint on the roof. It's such a shit to clean and can look dirty again within hours. I don't know if black wrap would be better or worse than paint but I didn't once think it was anything other than paint.

 

[Heavy Dupree]

Were you saying they paint the entire car a whole colour and then overlay the wrap?

This.

 

[Heavy Dupree]

I can't speak about the entire roof, I've only been referring to the black trim around the hatch glass. Referencing the original thread topic back in May '22.

 

[Mud]

I was going to post this in the roof thread.

https://www.nissan.com.au/vehicles/browse-range/Z/specs-and-pricing.html#grade-29559-0

Quite clearly states 2 tone paint

So could be a legal shit storm if it is indeed a wrap.
But until someone peels it back it could just be poorly masked thick paint.

 

[West Aussie]

I was going to post this in the roof thread.

https://www.nissan.com.au/vehicles/browse-range/Z/specs-and-pricing.html#grade-29559-0

Quite clearly states 2 tone paint

So could be a legal shit storm if it is indeed a wrap.
But until someone peels it back it could just be poorly masked thick paint.

Yeah…good point.
If it is wrapped and it peels.
They will be legally liable to fix it for life …otherwise be sued for false advertising

 

[takemorepills]

Yeah…good point.
If it is wrapped and it peels.
They will be legally liable to fix it for life …otherwise be sued for false advertising

Nissan, fix something?
Ha!
You obviously aren't a veteran Nissan owner.
Owning a Nissan means to tolerate and suck up a few defects they choose to ignore or deny.
Cracking dashes
Rotting floorplans
Cracking exhaust manifold
Crappy CVT
Leaking sunroof drains

The aforementioned items are seriously rampant issues on Nissans. Generally tolerated due to lower transaction prices.
Now that transaction prices are elevated, I think many of y'all are about to be seriously disappointed in the next few years.

Unless Australia has better consumer protections, here in USA we have very little recourse, and Nissan takes full advantage of it.

Heck, some of the newer Toyotas are being called out on misrepresentation too.

 

[West Aussie]

Nissan, fix something?
Ha!
You obviously aren't a veteran Nissan owner.
Owning a Nissan means to tolerate and suck up a few defects they choose to ignore or deny.
Cracking dashes
Rotting floorplans
Cracking exhaust manifold
Crappy CVT
Leaking sunroof drains

The aforementioned items are seriously rampant issues on Nissans. Generally tolerated due to lower transaction prices.
Now that transaction prices are elevated, I think many of y'all are about to be seriously disappointed in the next few years.

Unless Australia has better consumer protections, here in USA we have very little recourse, and Nissan takes full advantage of it.

Heck, some of the newer Toyotas are being called out on misrepresentation too.

I believe they wouldn’t get away with this in Aus (could be wrong) we have very strong consumer laws, even for things out of warranty.
If you bout something for 5k and the warranty was only 1 year and it broke ….you may be covered by the ACCCs laws that state a product must last for a “reasonable period given its cost”
Many people have used it, taken companies to court…and won
And that’s if the product IS as described.
If it’s been falsely advertised you’re in for a world of hurt with class actions.
We have had things like big banks being forced to give money back because their fee charges are no actually what it costs …we have had telcos have to refund people because their phone line was unusable for a period of time.
All sorts of things where the little guy has won

 

[jezzza]

All sorts of things where the little guy has won.

It's certainly a positive of living down under. It's surprisingly how many people don't understand our consumer laws and fork out for nonsense extended warranties.

I bought a top of the line Sony TV back in 2012. As ACCC states a flagship television should last at least 5 years, it's been upgraded twice now at no cost.

 

[takemorepills]

Now I'm starting to understand why many things are more expensive in Australia

 

[West Aussie]

Now I'm starting to understand why many things are more expensive in Australia

You say that but it really isn’t due to the consumer laws.
It’s
A…government taxes and
B…for some inexplicable reason our Dollar is crap. I don’t have a clue as to why, one of the few countries to come out of Covid not to badly damaged, our stock markets going up, our banks seem to have survived pretty much unscathed, even our national airline carrier is back to making a profit …doesn't make sense to me

But it’s basically these two things that make our prices more, the retailer has to wear the loss meaning they are more inclined to stock things that won’t cause a headache latter down the line or offer long warranties straight up that they must negotiate with the manufacturer for

 

[Mud]

Ok I really want to put this to bed. I just went down to my dealer (still no news on my car )

We went and had a look at the Everest White demo with Super Black roof.
I will confidently say the roof and tail gate are both PAINTED BLACK based on the following.

a) there is a hard line across the back of the hatch above the spoiler where the black goes over the white. It's a big step and you'd expect clear coat to cover this, but it looks like the black is laid down last. We couldn't scratch or lift it up. A wrap would be VERY prone to lifting along here.

b) inside underneath the hatch is painted black. The inside has detailed concave impressions from stamping the part during manufacture. It's all covered in black and you can see the spot welds and every bump. This would be almost impossible to wrap

c) the inside of the car under the hatch is panted black. The white of the car does not continue inside. This has all the same detail as mentioned in point b

d) the black A pillar wraps around and inside the car. He wouldn't let pull the trim off, but there is no edge to the black that can be seen

f) this car is was sitting in the sun all morning at about 28C (82F) and none of the black was soft to touch, I couldn't make an impression with a fingernail etc (not the hottest place in the world)

 

[bpeckham]

@Mud, thanks for checking this, and although I agree, I speculate that this debate will continue. As I said earlier, it's gotta be paint. The edge doesn't automatically mean wrap.