Here’s Why Deeply Discounted Nissan Zs Are Going Away—Maybe for Good

[Xylander]

Nah. Z prices will continue in free fall especially new charger six pack is here. You can pick 4dr or 2dr for charger.

Gm trademark Camaro name again.

Hyundai another one to watch out for!

I wouldn't worry about that Charger six pack. It's a horrible, horrible machine. That engine has a 13% catastrophic failure rate in the FIRST YEAR with the Wagoneer. They're putting that engine into a flawed vehicle. It's got the same bad body panels, an infotainment system that routinely bricks the car (yes, the six pack too), drive modes get hung up and go inop until you reset the battery, etc. Plus, the damn thing weighs over 5,000lb with a driver.

I've owned 3 Hellcats, a Demon, and a Challenger T/A 392. My latest Redeye, which I traded in on this Nismo Z, had never ending dealer warranty issues. 8 trips in 1 year, 3 of which were for repeat driveshaft failures. Bone stock, never raced the thing. I know the Mopar scene well... and that Six Pack is dead on arrival. The base model is priced at nearly 60k after fees (and over 60k after tax). All that for a car made by Dodge, which when asked about their quality control system, the response is, "LOLWUT?!"

That, and it is in no way a competitor with the Z. 2/4 door behemoth of a car that's larger than most 80s/90s era station wagons. It's a muscle car with a horribly flawed inline 6. No muscle car buyer wants an inline 6 in the first place, and especially not one that has a worse power to weight ratio than a V6 Camry.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still a diehard Mopar fan, but not of this current era. They're near bankrupt and they're literally developing cars with little to no foresight and slamming crap out the door to see if people will buy it or not. The Hornet blows and doesn't sell, the EV doesn't sell (and the base trim has been canceled after just 1 model year), and now they're trying to build a 6cyl muscle car on a failed platform in hopes that it'll sell too. It'll sell better than the EV, but I don't think it'll sell well. Remember, Dodge was selling 150,000-200,000 units of the Charger/Challenger on average between 2015-2022. I'll be amazed if they move 20,000 Six Packs. They haven't released any numbers on the Charger EV, but I've heard it's less than 5000.

 

[aknoz]

I wouldn't worry about that Charger six pack. It's a horrible, horrible machine. That engine has a 13% catastrophic failure rate in the FIRST YEAR with the Wagoneer. They're putting that engine into a flawed vehicle. It's got the same bad body panels, an infotainment system that routinely bricks the car (yes, the six pack too), drive modes get hung up and go inop until you reset the battery, etc. Plus, the damn thing weighs over 5,000lb with a driver.

I've owned 3 Hellcats, a Demon, and a Challenger T/A 392. My latest Redeye, which I traded in on this Nismo Z, had never ending dealer warranty issues. 8 trips in 1 year, 3 of which were for repeat driveshaft failures. Bone stock, never raced the thing. I know the Mopar scene well... and that Six Pack is dead on arrival. The base model is priced at nearly 60k after fees (and over 60k after tax). All that for a car made by Dodge, which when asked about their quality control system, the response is, "LOLWUT?!"

That, and it is in no way a competitor with the Z. 2/4 door behemoth of a car that's larger than most 80s/90s era station wagons. It's a muscle car with a horribly flawed inline 6. No muscle car buyer wants an inline 6 in the first place, and especially not one that has a worse power to weight ratio than a V6 Camry.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still a diehard Mopar fan, but not of this current era. They're near bankrupt and they're literally developing cars with little to no foresight and slamming crap out the door to see if people will buy it or not. The Hornet blows and doesn't sell, the EV doesn't sell (and the base trim has been canceled after just 1 model year), and now they're trying to build a 6cyl muscle car on a failed platform in hopes that it'll sell too. It'll sell better than the EV, but I don't think it'll sell well. Remember, Dodge was selling 150,000-200,000 units of the Charger/Challenger on average between 2015-2022. I'll be amazed if they move 20,000 Six Packs. They haven't released any numbers on the Charger EV, but I've heard it's less than 5000.

Short comings of z is no back seats and the hatch trunk space compared with all the coupes in the market is the smallest.

Most American buyers prefer friendlier vehicles that can be useful as daily drivers. Z is probably at the bottom of the list also.

Charger six pack look promising especially for a straight six turbo engine. Trunk space is huge for coupe. Rear seats make daily it even more friendly.

500hp to start and with discount down the road, it the best bang for bucks despite possible reliability issues.

 

[CPerdomo]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/heres-why-deeply-discounted-nissan-zs-are-going-away-maybe-for-good

Thanks for this...

 

[Xylander]

Short comings of z is no back seats and the hatch trunk space compared with all the coupes in the market is the smallest.

Most American buyers prefer friendlier vehicles that can be useful as daily drivers. Z is probably at the bottom of the list also.

Charger six pack look promising especially for a straight six turbo engine. Trunk space is huge for coupe. Rear seats make daily it even more friendly.

500hp to start and with discount down the road, it the best bang for bucks despite possible reliability issues.

Dodge's main problem is they built a car that has no target demographic. It's actually a very low performance car once you get passed the AWD launch gimmick. It goes 3,9-4.0 0-60, but its 60-100 number is abysmal. Muscle car fans won't buy it. People needing a daily aren't going to be thrilled with it getting roughly Hellcat level bad MPG (and of course, it takes premium fuel). Yeah, it can haul kids, but it's way too expensive for the average walk-up buyer. I just don't see a market for an i6 equipped muscle car that's about the same size as an F-150.

I'm dailying this Nismo Z, and I've got a pair of subs in the trunk that kills a third of the total cargo volume. We also have a full-size SUV, so that's what we use for utility purposes. The Z can handle a grocery run and most errands save trips to Home Depot for deck planks or something. It can't haul kids... but that's not an issue here. My car is a track car, and I'm a track rat. This Z would murder that Six Pack on track.

To me, the selling point with the Z, in this comparison, is 420hp, weighs 3,700lb. Tiny snot rocket of a car vs. a behemoth with 500+ hp and weight over 5,000lb with a driver that handles like a beached whale. That's the Z's selling point. It's a nimble sports car, and it doesn't try and be something it's not. The Six Pack is an underpowered whale, that's trying to pretend it's a muscle car. It might have 550hp, but it WEIGHS 5000 POUNDS and it handles like a work truck.

 

[Hernandooo]

Short comings of z is no back seats and the hatch trunk space compared with all the coupes in the market is the smallest.

Most American buyers prefer friendlier vehicles that can be useful as daily drivers. Z is probably at the bottom of the list also.

Charger six pack look promising especially for a straight six turbo engine. Trunk space is huge for coupe. Rear seats make daily it even more friendly.

500hp to start and with discount down the road, it the best bang for bucks despite possible reliability issues.

I think you're missing the point. The aim of this car was to be a 2dr coupe sports car. Believe it or not, I could care less about having back seats.

It's real competition, was the Mk5 Supra, BMW Z4, now Mazda MX-5

Sure, you can have this sports car as a daily, but I believe most that want or own this car would use it as a second or third vehicle, a weekender.

This car and those like it wasn't targeted for that American audience.

So, as too make it more limited, to persons with expendible income, it just makes way more sense. For the average Joe American with a low credit score and getting this car financed for 15 years (lets be honest they'll probably sell it in less then 6 months), I'd much rather them buy the charger or whatever high volume car they can afford.

 

[Xylander]

The short version is that the Z fits the same niche as a Porsche Cayman. Similar driving profile, greatly reduced price and maintenance costs. Where the Porsche is for dentists who like a trackable sports car, the Z is less for champagne budgets, but more for those of the beer variety.

 

[trackratZ]

The short version is that the Z fits the same niche as a Porsche Cayman. Similar driving profile, greatly reduced price and maintenance costs. Where the Porsche is for dentists who like a trackable sports car, the Z is less for champagne budgets, but more for those of the beer variety.

But I'm not a dentist, just an ex-IT guy

 

[Xylander]

But I'm not a dentist, just an ex-IT guy

Same, except I'm still a tech bro. Well, I'm 48 and the "tech bros" I work with are in their 20s, so. Eh? But I was cross-shopping A 911 S and a 718 S alongside this Z. I recently had a bad ownership experience with a C8, so I was ignoring those, although they too are a good comparison with the Z at the Nismo trim level.

I'd say similar with the 718. They both have similar-ish natures, but the rear/mid engined 718 does tend to feel more like a C8 with its lean towards more understeer vs. the Z's oversteer. I'm not going to lie and say the Cayman S isn't more capable, but it's also what... double the price?

 

[Mr. Mac]

This is potentially great news for current owners' resale value.

 

[aknoz]

I think you're missing the point. The aim of this car was to be a 2dr coupe sports car. Believe it or not, I could care less about having back seats.

It's real competition, was the Mk5 Supra, BMW Z4, now Mazda MX-5

Sure, you can have this sports car as a daily, but I believe most that want or own this car would use it as a second or third vehicle, a weekender.

This car and those like it wasn't targeted for that American audience.

So, as too make it more limited, to persons with expendible income, it just makes way more sense. For the average Joe American with a low credit score and getting this car financed for 15 years (lets be honest they'll probably sell it in less then 6 months), I'd much rather them buy the charger or whatever high volume car they can afford.

Nissan and you are missing the average consumers' point.

Nobody cares less about 2 seater coupe in current market. Look at the destiny of those vehicles. They died off eventually because of not enough demand to continue production. Z fate will be that way eventually...

Z is in no man land, only people who love z will appreciate it. Average Joe who can afford something like that, Corvette will be their number one choice. The list goes on....

You do you but average joe will certainly consider not to be you.

 

[aknoz]

But I'm not a dentist, just an ex-IT guy

Most German snob lovers will not consider Japanese vehicles...

 

[Hernandooo]

Most German snob lovers will not consider Japanese vehicles...

yet its a 2dr coupe "SPORTS CAR" that still sells. and the Z sells in MuRiCa were up 121.7% in Q3 with up to 5000 sold for 2025... again in the states.

ya, know what, you're right, i think i'll sell my Z and get a Porsche now

 

[rocksandblues]

Most German snob lovers will not consider Japanese vehicles...

True. and
The only track worthy Japanese car currently is the GR. I wish there was more
Paddocks are 90%- Porsche, Corvette, BMW these days

 

[trackratZ]

True. and
The only track worthy Japanese car currently is the GR. I wish there was more
Paddocks are 90%- Porsche, Corvette, BMW these days

But the GR is 80% German, B58 and all.

Aside from that, having owned both sides of the ocean, Japanese engineering is still top notch not to mention heritage (240Z, GTR, BRE, etc). Mechanical design, serviceability, reliability still belong to the JDM. I can't believe some of the silly things I have to do to service my P car (remove a bunch of ancillary things to service some wear items). Many of my Porsche club guys only go to shows and Cars and Coffees, too afraid to track, a shame. I try to push them, no luck!

 

[CPerdomo]

Nissan and you are missing the average consumers' point.

NISSAN knows very well what they are doing... that is why they've been able to not only sell the Z since the 70's, but keep the dream alive. Obviously it's been designated for a smaller consumer base; that's obvious. Nissan tried the back seats and not many were sold.
Nissan understands the "average consumers' point". That's why they produce enough cars for the "average consumer"...