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AMS also quoted me at about 12k for the Alpha 5 package, im waiting a couple years to go down there.
Nice! I see that they charge $5k USD for pkg only on website. I guess I am going with my version of a pump gas version - 91/93 Octane (hence no fuel delivery related components), and intercoolers rather than heat exchanger, with full catted downpipes instead of lowers only. Being a new car I am leary about front end dismantling to get at heat exchanger for now. With installation, I'm looking at about $12k Cdn all in. Heat exchanger and Nismo street exhaust may be later.
 

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Nice! I see that they charge $5k USD for pkg only on website. I guess I am going with my version of a pump gas version - 91/93 Octane (hence no fuel delivery related components), and intercoolers rather than heat exchanger, with full catted downpipes instead of lowers only. Being a new car I am leary about front end dismantling to get at heat exchanger for now. With installation, I'm looking at about $12k Cdn all in. Heat exchanger and Nismo street exhaust may be later.
I would highly suggest a heat exchanger to go with those intercoolers, since you're vacuum bleeding the cooling system either way. Without adequately cooled fluid, the intercoolers will not be as efficient or effective, thereby becoming interheaters.

Same goes for a catback really...otherwise you're just handicapping your build and not extracting its full potential (image restricting a garden hose down through a drinking straw). 3.0" pipes feeding into 1.75" pipes where your exhaust gasses slam into a steel wall aka flange. Especially if you're paying someone to isntall & tune it all, might as well do it once to avoid duplication of efforts/cost.

Again though, just my 2.7-cents (CAD) :)
 
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I would highly suggest a heat exchanger to go with those intercoolers, since you're vacuum bleeding the cooling system either way. Without adequately cooled fluid, the intercoolers will not be as efficient or effective, thereby becoming interheaters.

Same goes for a catback really...otherwise you're just handicapping your build and not extracting its full potential (image restricting a garden hose down through a drinking straw). 3.0" pipes feeding into 1.75" pipes where your exhaust gasses slam into a steel wall aka flange. Especially if you're paying someone to isntall & tune it all, might as well do it once to avoid duplication of efforts/cost.

Again though, just my 2.7-cents (CAD) :)
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Nice! I see that they charge $5k USD for pkg only on website. I guess I am going with my version of a pump gas version - 91/93 Octane (hence no fuel delivery related components), and intercoolers rather than heat exchanger, with full catted downpipes instead of lowers only. Being a new car I am leary about front end dismantling to get at heat exchanger for now. With installation, I'm looking at about $12k Cdn all in. Heat exchanger and Nismo street exhaust may be later.
dont worry about the front end, mines been off 2/3x. probably more to come.
 

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dont worry about the front end, mines been off 2/3x. probably more to come.
Agreed. Especially for an experienced shop, its quite easy. Mine has been off twice now with zero side effects.
 

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Good advice.
One other thing, don't feel you need stick exclusively to AMS parts either (unless you want to, obviously!). Their stuff is great, but you are paying a markup for the name. Mishimoto also has a nice pair of intercoolers & heat exchanger (what's personally on my car), and CZP makes a very nice heat exchanger as well.
 
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One other thing, don't feel you need stick exclusively to AMS parts either (unless you want to, obviously!). Their stuff is great, but you are paying a markup for the name. Mishimoto also has a nice pair of intercoolers & heat exchanger (what's personally on my car), and CZP makes a very nice heat exchanger as well.
Thanks. Funny. I almost went with Mishimoto intercoolers, but read they didn't cool as well as AMS on repeated pulls. Though, I admit that I liked the the idea of AMS continuity in my package.

P.s. I watched the Mishimoto intercooler Z installation video...impressive kit.
 

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Thanks. Funny. I almost went with Mishimoto intercoolers, but read they didn't cool as well as AMS on repeated pulls. Though, I admit that I liked the the idea of AMS continuity in my package.

P.s. I watched the Mishimoto intercooler Z installation video...impressive kit.
I liked that I was also able to retain my stock engine cover with them as well. I appreciate the R&D and engineering details that Mishimoto shares on their website; always an interesting read.
 
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On pump gas 91/93 the most whp I've ever seen is 445-455whp/470+wtq.

480-500 whp on stock turbo is with e30 blend with 93 or e85
You are correct. I looked deeper, and the Wheel HP/TQ numbers would be less on 91/93 pump gas. Overall, it's looking like my pkg would amount to about 90-100 hp and 150 tq gain.

As per ChatGPT:

Stock is an official factory crank rating for the 2024 Z NISMO. 91 and 93 octane figures are estimates, because tuners quote wheel gains and map availability, not official crank outputs. I’m converting realistic tuned wheel-output expectations for this platform into approximate crank numbers using typical drivetrain loss, so treat the tuned numbers as best estimates, not factory-certified figures. Nissan Canada lists the 2024 Z NISMO at 420 hp and 384 lb-ft at the crank, and Z1’s current tuning materials confirm separate 91- and 93-octane map options for the 2023+ Z. (Nissan News Canada)

Setup
Crank HP​
Gain vs Stock​
Crank Torque​
Gain vs Stock​
Stock 2024 Z NISMO
420 hp
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384 lb-ft
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Tuned package on 91 octane
~495–530 hp
+75 to +110 hp
~530–580 lb-ft
+146 to +196 lb-ft
Tuned package on 93 octane
~515–545 hp
+95 to +125 hp
~550–595 lb-ft
+166 to +211 lb-ft
Those 91/93 ranges are based on a realistic tuned outcome of about 420–440 whp / 450–480 wtq on 91, and about 440–460 whp / 470–495 wtq on 93, then converted to crank output with a typical 15–17% drivetrain-loss assumption. That matches the general pattern from current Z tuning references: Z1 shows dedicated 91 and 93 maps for the 2023+ Z, and on its own test vehicle it reports measurable 93-octane gains, including 14 whp / 61 wtq max gains and much larger midrange peak gains at 4,000 rpm. (Z1 Motorsports)

Best single-number shorthand for your package would be:
  • Stock: 420 hp / 384 lb-ft
  • 91 octane: about 510 hp / 555 lb-ft
  • 93 octane: about 530 hp / 575 lb-ft (Nissan News Canada)
So, bluntly: your earlier numbers were a bit rich if applied to 91 octane by default. For 93 octane, the low-to-mid 530s crank hp is still plausible for a strong result. For 91 octane, I’d anchor it closer to the low 500s crank hp instead. (Z1 Motorsports)
 

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You are correct. I looked deeper, and the Wheel HP/TQ numbers would be less on 91/93 pump gas. Overall, it's looking like my pkg would amount to about 90-100 hp and 150 tq gain.

As per ChatGPT:

Stock is an official factory crank rating for the 2024 Z NISMO. 91 and 93 octane figures are estimates, because tuners quote wheel gains and map availability, not official crank outputs. I’m converting realistic tuned wheel-output expectations for this platform into approximate crank numbers using typical drivetrain loss, so treat the tuned numbers as best estimates, not factory-certified figures. Nissan Canada lists the 2024 Z NISMO at 420 hp and 384 lb-ft at the crank, and Z1’s current tuning materials confirm separate 91- and 93-octane map options for the 2023+ Z. (Nissan News Canada)

Setup
Crank HP​
Gain vs Stock​
Crank Torque​
Gain vs Stock​
Stock 2024 Z NISMO
420 hp
—​
384 lb-ft
—​
Tuned package on 91 octane
~495–530 hp
+75 to +110 hp
~530–580 lb-ft
+146 to +196 lb-ft
Tuned package on 93 octane
~515–545 hp
+95 to +125 hp
~550–595 lb-ft
+166 to +211 lb-ft
Those 91/93 ranges are based on a realistic tuned outcome of about 420–440 whp / 450–480 wtq on 91, and about 440–460 whp / 470–495 wtq on 93, then converted to crank output with a typical 15–17% drivetrain-loss assumption. That matches the general pattern from current Z tuning references: Z1 shows dedicated 91 and 93 maps for the 2023+ Z, and on its own test vehicle it reports measurable 93-octane gains, including 14 whp / 61 wtq max gains and much larger midrange peak gains at 4,000 rpm. (Z1 Motorsports)

Best single-number shorthand for your package would be:
  • Stock: 420 hp / 384 lb-ft
  • 91 octane: about 510 hp / 555 lb-ft
  • 93 octane: about 530 hp / 575 lb-ft (Nissan News Canada)
So, bluntly: your earlier numbers were a bit rich if applied to 91 octane by default. For 93 octane, the low-to-mid 530s crank hp is still plausible for a strong result. For 91 octane, I’d anchor it closer to the low 500s crank hp instead. (Z1 Motorsports)

This is the most I've ever seen for a Nismo on 91 octane but I wouldn't trust this for two reasons.

It's 91 octane

And Map 2 on JB4 is +5 psi with that low quality gas.

What I find most interesting about this power difference though is the Nismo was completely stock(no intake, ldp or exhaust) with the crappy 91.

nismo_nissan_z_dyno map 2 5psi +.webp
 
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This is the most I've ever seen for a Nismo on 91 octane but I wouldn't trust this for two reasons.

It's 91 octane

And Map 2 on JB4 is +5 psi with that low quality gas.

What I find most interesting about this power difference though is the Nismo was completely stock(no intake, ldp or exhaust) with the crappy 91.

nismo_nissan_z_dyno map 2 5psi +.webp
Interesting. Am I reading this correctly? Stock Nismo no mods other than tune on 91? That's impressive then!
 
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Hi all, thanks for your comments. Very helpful.

I'm going with your recommendations and adding a heat exchanger to the pkg. Going with AMS.

Tuner agrees that catback likely only add 10%, and i want to retain factory sound, so leaving for now. Though I am open to systems that improve exhaust flow and retain sound in the future.

All AMS...
Cold Air Intake
Intercoolers
Full catted downpipes
Heat Exchanger
EcuTek custom Tune

All parts in within week or two. AMS tune ready in 3-5 weeks (they busy). Install asap. Hoping 520ish hp 575 tq at crank on 93 pump.

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