A Great Conversation with Dan Passe on 2023 Nissan Z [Specs, Release, Pricing]

[NiZmonium]

Oh well , I'll just keep saving money . Maybe have the entire cash amount saved up by the time i can actually purchase one . I'm definitely not gonna be one of these desperate chasers who ends up paying a huge mark up. It's only a car. Hell, maybe even other Z alternative will be announced in the meantime

 

[McLovin157]

No you could select what dealer you want, it’s just when you put in your postcode it bought up the three closet dealers, but I’m sure you could press “ see more” to select if you wanted to. Just a way of making things more convenient for the buyer

Your missing a big error in your point of view. Pre orders have opened…pricing is still not known. And if dealers were aware of a pre order being available…do you really think they would tell the buyers how much mark up they were going to charge until pay day arrived?
So picking a dealer would mean nothin, because it would only be after prices are locked in that dealers could finalise pricing on the already signed contract. Sure people could refuse to pay it and try their luck at another dealer, but they would be put right back to the back of the line.

So to make things clear the Australian contacts are all signed off on with the one exception being “ subject to final pricing” if it’s too much we can pull out.
However when I asked what would happen if I wanted to change my order, they said the contract would be scrapped completely, a new one would be drawn up putting me to the back of the list

Until prices are finalised the final cost on the contract can be changed …and I would say in the US that would include dealer delivery …and so it won’t work

So the "subject to final pricing" would also remain on any US contract. So legally in the US you don't buy a car till the bank finalizes the loan. There are some states that have more strict or lax laws (Oklahoma has law of ownership. once you leave the lot it's yours). So even though it's not as polished as Aus the ordering system work effectively the same.

If someone wanted to place an order through me and I am to submit an order to Nissan this is how it works. 1 we order the car the way you want and you sign a form to purchase the car with a deposit. 2 When the car arrives you then sign the purchase agreement or when we receive the VIN. 3 The owner takes delivery of the car and the deal is funded, they are now the owner.

At any point between point 1 and 2 you are allowed to drop out and just like your order would be moved to the bottom of insert list.

Where things are a bit messy here in the US is your experience is 100% dependent on the salesman/dealer you work with. It's slimy as hell but if the salesman/dealer says congrats your car is in its 30k over MSRP now that it's here they can because there was no binding contract at step 2. That's why I am SUPER transparent with everyone I work with. If the car is 44,762 the max mark up is 5k so the cost would be 49,762. Now I could say that then double back on it and say sorry its now 15k over and will run you 59,762 but that would make me a POS and I'm not about that.

 

[McLovin157]

Oh well , I'll just keep saving money . Maybe have the entire cash amount saved up by the time i can actually purchase one . I'm definitely not gonna be one of these desperate chasers who ends up paying a huge mark up. It's only a car. Hell, maybe even other Z alternative will be announced in the meantime

I would expect the new Z to look like C8 orders. Place your name now and expect to wait 6-18 months depending on who your working with.

 

[NiZmonium]

I would expect the new Z to look like C8 orders. Place your name now and expect to wait 6-18 months depending on who your working with.

I hope it isn't that extreme. I can somewhat understand the wait time for the new C8 because of what it is - a completely brand new mid-engine sports car with near super car performance , with exotic looks.... etc. And not to mention , every boomers favorite mid-life crisis mobile has always been a Corvette .

But let's be real - The Z is just the new and improved 370Z. Although everyone loves Z cars throughout the years , the market and demand isn't nearly as big as the Vette community

 

[McLovin157]

I hope it isn't that extreme. I can somewhat understand the wait time for the new C8 because of what it is - a completely brand new mid-engine sports car with near super car performance , with exotic looks.... etc. And not to mention , every boomers favorite mid-life crisis mobile has always been a Corvette .

But let's be real - The Z is just the new and improved 370Z. Although everyone loves Z cars throughout the years , the market and demand isn't nearly as big as the Vette community

For the first couple years it most likely will be. I understand the Z isn't near the boomer car the Corvette is but the new Z has generated a TON of attention from new buyers. Plus I mean there are wait lists for cars like Sentras. They aren't 6-18 months long but if you have to wait 2-4 weeks for a car Nissan pumps 100k+ out every year imagine a car there will only be thousands of.

 

[NiZmonium]

For the first couple years it most likely will be. I understand the Z isn't near the boomer car the Corvette is but the new Z has generated a TON of attention from new buyers. Plus I mean there are wait lists for cars like Sentras. They aren't 6-18 months long but if you have to wait 2-4 weeks for a car Nissan pumps 100k+ out every year imagine a car there will only be thousands of.

And a huge amount of those potential new buyers are going to be priced out of being able to actually buy one when they realize it's going to cost a lot more than the $30k that was initially being tossed around.

And I don't think a 2 to 4 month wait time is that big of a deal . But anything beyond that is going to discourage a lot of buyers

 

[West Aussie]

So the "subject to final pricing" would also remain on any US contract. So legally in the US you don't buy a car till the bank finalizes the loan. There are some states that have more strict or lax laws (Oklahoma has law of ownership. once you leave the lot it's yours). So even though it's not as polished as Aus the ordering system work effectively the same.

If someone wanted to place an order through me and I am to submit an order to Nissan this is how it works. 1 we order the car the way you want and you sign a form to purchase the car with a deposit. 2 When the car arrives you then sign the purchase agreement or when we receive the VIN. 3 The owner takes delivery of the car and the deal is funded, they are now the owner.

At any point between point 1 and 2 you are allowed to drop out and just like your order would be moved to the bottom of insert list.

Where things are a bit messy here in the US is your experience is 100% dependent on the salesman/dealer you work with. It's slimy as hell but if the salesman/dealer says congrats your car is in its 30k over MSRP now that it's here they can because there was no binding contract at step 2. That's why I am SUPER transparent with everyone I work with. If the car is 44,762 the max mark up is 5k so the cost would be 49,762. Now I could say that then double back on it and say sorry its now 15k over and will run you 59,762 but that would make me a POS and I'm not about that.

You may not be…others will be. That’s my point

 

[McLovin157]

And a huge amount of those potential new buyers are going to be priced out of being able to actually buy one when they realize it's going to cost a lot more than the $30k that was initially being tossed around.

And I don't think a 2 to 4 month wait time is that big of a deal . But anything beyond that is going to discourage a lot of buyers

The car was NEVER priced at 30k. It was conformed the day the Z launched back in August that it would START around 40k.
Nissan Rogues and Pathfinders currently have a 2-4 month wait time so why would the Z wait time be shorter?

 

[NiZmonium]

The car was NEVER priced at 30k. It was conformed the day the Z launched back in August that it would START around 40k.
Nissan Rogues and Pathfinders currently have a 2-4 month wait time so why would the Z wait time be shorter?

Well I guess when that female Nissan spokesperson said it was going to start near $30k that was a pretty big mistake. No one believed it , including myself . And of course they shortly came out with a correction that $30k was not correct .

And I'm not really sure why you're arguing with me about pricing and time frames . I'm merely stating my opinions about what I personally feel is an acceptable wait time and price.

Don't worry, you will make plenty of money selling Zs regardless of price, when they finally arrive

 

[McLovin157]

Well I guess when that female Nissan spokesperson said it was going to start near $30k that was a pretty big mistake. No one believed it , including myself . And of course they shortly came out with a correction that $30k was not correct .

And I'm not really sure why you're arguing with me about pricing and time frames . I'm merely stating my opinions about what I personally feel is an acceptable wait time and price.

Don't worry, you will make plenty of money selling Zs regardless of price, when they finally arrive

Not trying to argue with you I assure you of that. Just trying to kill the 30k price point thing because that rep made a mess of things. Along with the pricing 30k is a bit to hopeful don’t you think? That would make the new Z cheaper than a type R and the 370z that came before it.

As for me it’s not about making money it’s about getting these cars out without people getting ripped off. Dealers killed the Focus ST with mark ups and Supra sales are in the dirt with dealers marking them up 15-20k. I don’t want to see that happen to this car. I want to see thousands of Z cars on the roads and not just to people who will pay 60k for a 40k car.

 

[NiZmonium]

Not trying to argue with you I assure you of that. Just trying to kill the 30k price point thing because that rep made a mess of things. Along with the pricing 30k is a bit to hopeful don’t you think? That would make the new Z cheaper than a type R and the 370z that came before it.

As for me it’s not about making money it’s about getting these cars out without people getting ripped off. Dealers killed the Focus ST with mark ups and Supra sales are in the dirt with dealers marking them up 15-20k. I don’t want to see that happen to this car. I want to see thousands of Z cars on the roads and not just to people who will pay 60k for a 40k car.

Fair enough. We're on the same page. I think many of us are just getting impatient now that we see that we might only be a couple months away from the car hitting the dealerships

 

[Blackbeard]

u know i just got offered a red 3.0 prem today at 57k but i dont like red plus i think im going to wait it out a bit.. plus that whole untunable unless u send it out to russia dont sit well with me paying 2k plus for a tune

 

[McLovin157]

u know i just got offered a red 3.0 prem today at 57k but i dont like red plus i think im going to wait it out a bit.. plus that whole untunable unless u send it out to russia dont sit well with me paying 2k plus for a tune

I don’t think there is anything INHERENTLY wrong with the Supra but it just felt like a cheap cash grab to please the Supra bros. Toyota is one of the largest manufacturers in the world. You can’t tell me they don’t have the resources to build a sports car in house. People rip on Nissan for reusing the Z34 platform but Nissan is not a global giant. I won’t excuse laziness but I do believe they are doing everything they can with the nightmare all manufacturers are in. I wish the Z nothing but the best

 

[Blackbeard]

I don’t think there is anything INHERENTLY wrong with the Supra but it just felt like a cheap cash grab to please the Supra bros. Toyota is one of the largest manufacturers in the world. You can’t tell me they don’t have the resources to build a sports car in house. People rip on Nissan for reusing the Z34 platform but Nissan is not a global giant. I won’t excuse laziness but I do believe they are doing everything they can with the nightmare all manufacturers are in. I wish the Z nothing but the best

i mean thats one of the biggest rippings the mk5 get thats its a bmw with toyota badges, maybe working on those new gr yaris and corolla had them to busy who the f knows lol

 

[bybepl]

I can wait, but my main decision point is price for a Performance trim manual. I don't know why they can tell us pricing, so FRUSTRATING. If it's north of 45k I'm out even though I'm first in line at the largest dealer in my state.