Petition: Where’s my Z

[jdm-rhd]

 

[West Aussie]

This needs to be shared far and wide…someone should post it on Nissans Facebook page….unfortunately the clip is not suitable for Australian Nissan because it centres around the dealer mark ups, which whilst are a huge problem for the US is not the only problem and not that of the Canadian and Aus market.
I think he did a great job but wish he delved a bit deeper to also expose the lack of communication and transparency that is occurring especially around estimated delivery times, we Aussies and Canadians may not have the mark up to deal with, but we are still not seeing any cars, except for a very few Protos which seem to already be being flipped ( which implies these cars went to people with some kind of link to Nissan)
I visited my dealer today just to check in..my question
Do you honestly believe we will see our orders this year (keeping in mind this is what Nissan Aus promised for early orders)?
She said…as you have had your order in for so long I truly hope so. Give it another month and hopefully we will hear something. But even she admitted if there is no information forthcoming this month that she will be getting worried.
And when I mentioned that I’m getting closer to jumping ship, even she said she can completely understand.

For us it’s a bit different..I actually feel sorry for our dealers..no cars means no commission and they are not charging above retail so they are just as desperate to get the cars and move them on as we are to have them.

Yes Nissan US need to do something about the mark ups..it’s disgusting and unethical, and it will hurt Nissans standing BUT it’s almost irrelevant, because if there are no cars to sell there are no mark ups to worry about.
First issue is production, second deal with the dealers greed….having said that if they produce enough there won’t be as much wriggle room to mark them up, so production really is the key

 

[Cmtremor]

This needs to be shared far and wide…someone should post it on Nissans Facebook page….unfortunately the clip is not suitable for Australian Nissan because it centres around the dealer mark ups, which whilst are a huge problem for the US is not the only problem and not that of the Canadian and Aus market.
I think he did a great job but wish he delved a bit deeper to also expose the lack of communication and transparency that is occurring especially around estimated delivery times, we Aussies and Canadians may not have the mark up to deal with, but we are still not seeing any cars, except for a very few Protos which seem to already be being flipped ( which implies these cars went to people with some kind of link to Nissan)
I visited my dealer today just to check in..my question
Do you honestly believe we will see our orders this year (keeping in mind this is what Nissan Aus promised for early orders)?
She said…as you have had your order in for so long I truly hope so. Give it another month and hopefully we will hear something. But even she admitted if there is no information forthcoming this month that she will be getting worried.
And when I mentioned that I’m getting closer to jumping ship, even she said she can completely understand.

For us it’s a bit different..I actually feel sorry for our dealers..no cars means no commission and they are not charging above retail so they are just as desperate to get the cars and move them on as we are to have them.

Yes Nissan US need to do something about the mark ups..it’s disgusting and unethical, and it will hurt Nissans standing BUT it’s almost irrelevant, because if there are no cars to sell there are no mark ups to worry about.
First issue is production, second deal with the dealers greed….having said that if they produce enough there won’t be as much wriggle room to mark them up, so production really is the key

For Nissan … they have choosen to meet the us market demand due to greed … notice how the only market able to mark up the cars is seeing them first. Nissan is showing its true colours on its care for the customer… I jumped ship and pulled my deposit back as I can’t justify supporting this anymore.

to stay on topic … I’d love to see a petition but doubt it will get any answers other then “market challenges”… it’s absolutely nuts that a company can legally take money form customers and provide zero Update in 8+ months and 4 months after promised delivery but can update a website with increased pricing and deliver to other customers with zero deposits.

Guinness world records should award Nissan for worst vehicle launch

 

[takemorepills]

We are "on topic"

This weekend we had a party, one of my friends has reservations for 4 different vehicles, he's going to just get whatever comes up first. He asked why I don't do the same. The problem is that the cars I am considering, Z, GR4 Corolla, possibly CTR, are from manufacturers that don't offer reservations. To be clear, dealership reservation doesn't count, because those come from allocations.

With the reservation system, a customer gets the ability to go online and see the status of their order. Nissan just throws the few cars they make to the wolves. We have absolutely no idea when these vehicles are going to be available, not just because there's no reservation system, but also because Nissan isn't issuing any statements. Even though Toyota doesn't do reservations, they issue regular updates on the conditions they face. (I may be wrong about Toyota, I know you can order a Tundra, but ordered Tundras get put on the back burner in favor of dealer allocation deliveries that can be marked up, and no Toyota dealer I talked to could order a GR4 Corolla for me.....)

A lot of the reservations also allow the customer protection from markups, again not talking about dealership reservations....

My friend has reservations for the Maverick hybrid, Bronco, Lightning and the Mustang SUV EV thingy. Doesn't help me....

 

[jaymes]

Just buy a used sports car at this point, honestly. Or a used anything, really.

 

[takemorepills]

Additional petition suggestions:

-be more forthcoming, open, honest about production challenges and clearly communicate to potential customers

-allow ordering direct from Nissan. Figure it out and cut the excuses.

-instead of saying "dealers are allowed to set any price they want" try to reign them in.

-consider contractual clause with potential buyers that forbids flipping, multiple cars per owner/household and transfer to dealership lots through buyers who may be "in the biz"

 

[TaroBaapG35]

Yea, I think I'm out of the Z game..unfortunately. I would love one soon, but doubtful we'll see many performance spec in peoples hands soon.

After this past Saturday, I'm looking at completely different vehicle/brand and if all works out (fingers crossed) I'll be out of the Z game for ~3 years LOL.

We're also on the Chevy Blazer EV reservation for next year so we shall see..

 

[trackratZ]

Just spotted Diamond Bar CA on 57 freeway

 

[But Does It Djent?]

Dammit Nissan I am literally trying to throw my money at you but you just won't let me lmfao. I've been in contact with a few more Nissan dealers, a few just straight ignore me after I tell them I'm not interested in any other model. It's frustrating.

 

[therumblewagon]

Yea, I think I'm out of the Z game..unfortunately. I would love one soon, but doubtful we'll see many performance spec in peoples hands soon.

After this past Saturday, I'm looking at completely different vehicle/brand and if all works out (fingers crossed) I'll be out of the Z game for ~3 years LOL.

We're also on the Chevy Blazer EV reservation for next year so we shall see..

What are you thinking?

A quick search on cars.com/AT/Nissan USA show them sloooooowly making their way to dealers from what I can tell, but it's definitely going to continue to be rough sailing and I can only imagine what dealers are going to try to get away with for the rest of the year. Also not nearly as many color varieties as I would have hoped. Then again, shouldn't surprise me.

A few dealers around here keep saying "oh we have a Proto, you want it?" so wonder if people aren't biting as much as initially expected (by Nissan, not us). I'm sure interest rates are playing a part, too.

 

[MycarisZ]

Dammit Nissan I am literally trying to throw my money at you but you just won't let me lmfao. I've been in contact with a few more Nissan dealers, a few just straight ignore me after I tell them I'm not interested in any other model. It's frustrating.

For all the hate Nissan is getting here, I have a similar experience with a Porsche dealer earlier this year. Did not want to accept a deposit even though I am willing to pay them… cause they cannot guarantee a delivery for the next 18 months and I promptly took my money and put it on a Z. Still waiting but I have no rush, whenever the car is there I will take it. It is not a need at this moment for me but a want which I am looking forward to.

 

[West Aussie]

For all the hate Nissan is getting here, I have a similar experience with a Porsche dealer earlier this year. Did not want to accept a deposit even though I am willing to pay them… cause they cannot guarantee a delivery for the next 18 months and I promptly took my money and put it on a Z. Still waiting but I have no rush, whenever the car is there I will take it. It is not a need at this moment for me but a want which I am looking forward to.

“Earlier this year” now flip it. Imagine you had given a deposit a year and a half ago and you are still no closer to even knowing if you will get a car ( just a performance, not talking Proto) after going through an official reservation set up with an ETA of mid 2022 ( although initially it was a lot earlier than that) ….and have absolutely 0 information.
Would you feel the same?

 

[TaroBaapG35]

What are you thinking?

A quick search on cars.com/AT/Nissan USA show them sloooooowly making their way to dealers from what I can tell, but it's definitely going to continue to be rough sailing and I can only imagine what dealers are going to try to get away with for the rest of the year. Also not nearly as many color varieties as I would have hoped. Then again, shouldn't surprise me.

A few dealers around here keep saying "oh we have a Proto, you want it?" so wonder if people aren't biting as much as initially expected (by Nissan, not us). I'm sure interest rates are playing a part, too.

The Z was always a dream to want to get new and soon since I'd want to keep the audi. Also the markups are outrageous so not gonna be in the market for a MSRP z until a year minimum. Add to this wife and I are thinking of starting a family so can't think about 2 door or my audi with its loud exhaust..but to answer your question, I'm looking at an X3M. Found one and am 99% sure I'm gonna pick it up...gotta get the dealer snd wife to agree on s4 trade in apprisal..

 

[therumblewagon]

The Z was always a dream to want to get new and soon since I'd want to keep the audi. Also the markups are outrageous so not gonna be in the market for a MSRP z until a year minimum. Add to this wife and I are thinking of starting a family so can't think about 2 door or my audi with its loud exhaust..but to answer your question, I'm looking at an X3M. Found one and am 99% sure I'm gonna pick it up...gotta get the dealer snd wife to agree on s4 trade in apprisal..

Congrats, bud! Best of luck to y'all if you do decide to start one (not to mention good luck threading the needle with the better half and the dealer).

And, relatable about waiting on the Z - them just, trickling in is not going to make this easy for anyone who won't put up with markups in the near future.

 

[Proto Z]