not_howard
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Yeah that's right guys size doesn't matter... er um I mean hp... hp doesn't matter that's what I meant to say.Don't become fixated on the hp number
Yeah that's right guys size doesn't matter... er um I mean hp... hp doesn't matter that's what I meant to say.Don't become fixated on the hp number
I've heard 400hp only, no 300hp option.
Makes sense as the 400hp flavor of VR30 is the one with optical turbo speed sensors and we have a dedicated gauge for Turbo RPMs on the dash.
Also, Nissan is in a position where they have to go for the throat....400hp for 35k is going for the throat of the Supra (main target) and it'll have the big 3 looking over their shoulders.
I agree however the general buying public only sees HP numbers (they always have) - how else do you think Dodge sells?Don't become fixated on the hp number - it's all in how it puts it to the road.
With that elegant look, $35k price tag and 400hp under the hood, the new Z will be a runaway success for Nissan.400hp, 35k.
I agree with you on the general public sentiment. However, like the Z, the cult following of the muscle cars of yesteryear is Dodge's core buyer base that they must satisfy first, and they're successful there, and they're successful without the additional buyers they get from the cheaper and more volume-driven variants of the muscled up versions we tend to point to in these debates. But those cars exist not because they make 400hp versions of them, but because they make less powerful cheaper versions to sell at volume to sustain the rest of the lineup that doesn't sell at volume. It's cool they exist and they do have buyers, but the SRT models and Hellcat models don't exist on their own. It's very tough to justify building a car like that from a business standpoint.I agree however the general buying public only sees HP numbers (they always have) - how else do you think Dodge sells?
400hp is what they can offer out of the Parts Bin where it still makes business sense to the bottom line.
Lol trust me, with a car w/turbo, 350 torque is no joke. My S4 is now at ~390tq and the car pulls hard. As soon as you dip into throttle (even 50%) the torque delivery is pretty instant and you get pushed back into the seat. Full throttle and since it's AWD it feels like a GT-R like launch. But now put that torque in RWD and 6mt, and you've got mad slippage. Think about BMW M2s/M3s that spin in first 2 gears.I'm more interested in the torque and hope the 350 is a little on the conservative side.
My thoughts exactly. That, and the C8/TLX are just priced out of my current comfort level (which I believe reflects a large portion of the community). Knowing Nissan's success with the Z platforms, especially 240 and 300, as well as the R35, I look for the new Z to be hugely successful in terms of bolt-on performance. This will play a big factory in the Z's sales figures at this projected price range. We already see how successful the "limited" run of FK8 CT-Rs was. The FK8 community is chomping at the bit for more, with quite a few people migrating to different platforms - the Z will just be another attractive option. Originally I saw the TLX-S projected into the $63k range, which was just unattractive and underperforming. Sure the car will sell, have a niche following and respond well to basic bolt-ons (ie ECU reflash, downpipe and intercooler), but it's essentially a boat that doesn't compare to the IS500 or Audis or BMWs. $53k sounds much nicer, but just doesn't appeal to me (mainly in terms of price point, power or sportiness - no man pedal).With that elegant look, $35k price tag and 400hp under the hood, the new Z will be a runaway success for Nissan.
Take me for an example. I have never owned a Nissan. This Z got my attention.
Have been watching C8 for over one year. Couldn't pull the trigger. Hard to get, and problematic.
Watched the Acura TLX Type-S. 355hp, 4200lbs. Over-weigh, under-powered.
Then, Z showed up.
For sure! You know that the torque/power delivery is dampened with factory ECU mapping. Though rated at 305 hp & 295 ft/lb tq, the FK8 can make 400+ Ft/lb tq at around 2,000 RPM if you can make it on stock turbo and essentially right out of the gate with tuning (though most anyone is going to advise to stay under 400 tq on a 4-cylinder). Even in stock form the FK8 feels nice. I can imagine that a 3.0L twin setup feel even better in a similarly weighted chassis. - Look at the Q50 & Q60 thus far. Simple bolt-ons, a tune and a fat tire in the rear will be more than enough for the average consumer.Lol trust me, with a car w/turbo, 350 torque is no joke. My S4 is now at ~390tq and the car pulls hard. As soon as you dip into throttle (even 50%) the torque delivery is pretty instant and you get pushed back into the seat. Full throttle and since it's AWD it feels like a GT-R like launch. But now put that torque in RWD and 6mt, and you've got mad slippage. Think about BMW M2s/M3s that spin in first 2 gears.
Perfect makes sense to us too...lolI agree however the general buying public only sees HP numbers (they always have) - how else do you think Dodge sells?
400hp is what they can offer out of the Parts Bin where it still makes business sense to the bottom line.
Co-Sign on the above.Any mods on any car can be flagged and could void your warranty if the dealership can prove the mod itself caused the problem (Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act). The thing with FI cars is that, you get massive power bumps with basic Bolt-Ons compared to NA, but the risk you run is that there are more pieces that can possibly fail. Audi dealerships are notorious for flagging cars TD1 if they are tuned, which means that your car is completely void of warranty coverage. Main reason why I haven't tuned my car yet. Honestly, just do an Intercooler, Intake, Downpipes, Exhaust and JB4/EcuTek and you're already at 443whp/475wtq(+63hp/+122tq), 510hp/545tq @ crank (+109hp/+193tq) on a red sport. And this is just an approximation, not the max.
My advice, get in good with a dealership/service advisor that is mod friendly and you'll be fine. When I had my 370z I would only take it to 1 dealer in my city because the employees there owned modded cars (as well as the GM!). Now I follow the same on my Audi; I drive an hour away for service/warranty work because the dealership is very open to Mods and they treat the car like their own).