NissanZClub Markup Thread

[takemorepills]

To pile onto the whole used car market fiasco.....

If anyone thinks traditional logic applies, go look at used car transaction prices.

Most cars under 5 years old are selling for their original MSRP.

Many cars less than 5 years old have been selling above their original MSRP.

Only the jankiest used vehicles have been selling below their original MSRP, however you may still be paying nearly double for that iffy vehicle than you would otherwise.

Even if/when a correction comes, it'll be slow. The less new cars made every year is a compounding issue for the future used car market, affecting prices for years.

 

[V35]

Another $100k Z…

 

[Georges1]

Most if not all of the Protos will probably be garage queens sold & resold with very low mileage. Probably will see flippers at Mecum & BJ that someone will pay too much for. I agree that finding a weekend warrior Z in a couple of years would most likely be a good buy. As far as I am concerned, if I buy one it will be my everyday driver. I am not planning to pay an exorbitant price & can wait if need be driving my ‘72-240 when I feel like it.

 

[71zman]

I'm sitting in the local Toyota dealer getting my wife's car serviced, already scheduled the $29.95 oil change and they're trying to tell me it's going to be $100 then they try to sell me on a $250 service. Acting shocked when I show them my appointment email says $29.95

Fuck all of these dealers are AIDS now. Trying to screw me on services too.

Corporate Toyota or Nissan absolutely doesn't care. They need to reign these bitches in or I'm never going to buy new again. I can fix my own cars too so eff them.

To pile onto the whole used car market fiasco.....

If anyone thinks traditional logic applies, go look at used car transaction prices.

Most cars under 5 years old are selling for their original MSRP.

Many cars less than 5 years old have been selling above their original MSRP.

Only the jankiest used vehicles have been selling below their original MSRP, however you may still be paying nearly double for that iffy vehicle than you would otherwise.

Even if/when a correction comes, it'll be slow. The less new cars made every year is a compounding issue for the future used car market, affecting prices for years.

@take more pills knows what he’s posting about!

 

[pendragon]

I bought my 370Z there... I'm not surprised

Ha! Gwinnett just reached out and said they have decided NOT to mark up the cost by 50k, and will only be willing to mark it up by 25.k.

I replied , Wow, That's amazing! If you dropped it that fast, surely it will drop some more!

Let me know when you mark it up by 6-8k. I'll take it for 60k out the door.

 

[Jah_Happy]

I cant wait to see all the new YouTube thumbnails "I paid how much for the new Z!!?? ?".

 

[Raven1]

To pile onto the whole used car market fiasco.....

If anyone thinks traditional logic applies, go look at used car transaction prices.

Most cars under 5 years old are selling for their original MSRP.

Many cars less than 5 years old have been selling above their original MSRP.

Only the jankiest used vehicles have been selling below their original MSRP, however you may still be paying nearly double for that iffy vehicle than you would otherwise.

Even if/when a correction comes, it'll be slow. The less new cars made every year is a compounding issue for the future used car market, affecting prices for years.

Tru, I bought my 2007 350 2 years ago for 18k.

I'm in Taiwan now and not to gloss anything over, things are day to day over here. Factory is running at full capacity, we're working until late nights (unheard of a few months ago as we weren't allowed to mix Day shift / Night shift to easily track covid exposures) and now we working weekends. We had a day where we didn't go to work because (AND No Bull Shit Here) there were literally missile streaks across the skies over Taiwan from these things being launched across the strait LITERALLY Right Over Us. Got to hand it to the people here as they are Tough AF and keep grinding their day in and day out lives. That one day caused a huge disruption in output; 2 weeks ago when the drunken witch paid a visit the strait was shut down and natural gas and coal freighters couldn't make it through and we had power disruptions.

Shit goes bad here it'll echo through out the entire world for who knows how long. Buckle up kids as this party is just getting started . . .

 

[jezzza]

Long term one of 240 is collectible. Assuming you don’t drive and mod the crap out of it. So I see some value in ADM. but if I was buying a daily driver heck no I would wait and wait till MSRP or less.

IMO the future collectibility of these Protos is being vastly overplayed.

 

[West Aussie]

IMO the future collectibility of these Protos is being vastly overplayed.

Totally agree, my Peugeot was collectable (500 world wide made…only around 200 left) I can tell you I didn’t get back what I paid even in this market….and our Lotus esprit (exactly like James Bond drove) was the same.

If you are buying it just to make money then you are buying for the wrong reason… and the way things are shaping up… the rosewood auto will probs be more collectable.

 

[Blackbeard]

IMO the future collectibility of these Protos is being vastly overplayed.

from what i read and maybe im wrong but its not 240 world wide i saw something mention that 240 were going to the US and 240 to aus etc etc

 

[takemorepills]

IMO the future collectibility of these Protos is being vastly overplayed.

I agree, it's just not special enough.

If someone were to acquire Proto seats from a wrecked Z, then send their wheels and calipers out for powdercoating....boom, they now have a Proto. The only hangup will be the seats, but if someone were so inclined, they could buy the seat covers from Nissan (while they are still being produced, not 25 years from now) and swap the covers over. The seats are the exact same foam.

It'd be way more difficult to convert a Sport into a Performance.

 

[jezzza]

If someone were to acquire Proto seats from a wrecked Z, then send their wheels and calipers out for powdercoating....boom, they now have a Proto.

I was about to say that building a replica Proto would be utterly ridiculous. But… on the off chance Protos are more desirable in years to come, are they stamped with build numbers eg. 1/240 or 1/1000?

 

[forcer]

I was about to say that building a replica Proto would be utterly ridiculous. But… on the off chance Protos are more desirable in years to come, are they stamped with build numbers eg. 1/240 or 1/1000?

dont think it is the case here? proto has absolutely nothing special, unfortunately

 

[therumblewagon]

I was about to say that building a replica Proto would be utterly ridiculous. But… on the off chance Protos are more desirable in years to come, are they stamped with build numbers eg. 1/240 or 1/1000?

I don’t recall any mention of a plate or anything. Identification via VIN, perhaps?

 

[jdm-rhd]

if not special, theoretically the vin numbers would be really really low...like -001 to 240. curious if the mfg test cars, media cars have have vins and if that would disrupt the numbering pattern?