Nissan’s Christian Meunier states Z NISMO with manual transminssion is coming

[Nis Mo Z]

Not many folks I know consider seats an essential part of performance. In other words I never heard anyone say my first mod to make my car perform better is trading out the seats. Have you?

I see what you’re on about now. You see no value in most of the upgrades the Z Nismo have that makes it an overall sharp and honed package. You probably would like a Cayman S over the GT4. I’ll tell you right now the Recaros are among the best seats I’ve ever owned in any of my past cars and I hear a lot of folks complaining about how the seats feel in the lesser Z’s. But I understand that certain models isn’t for everyone and I get that.

 

[Meg_Z]

I see what you’re on about now. You see no value in most of the upgrades the Z Nismo have that makes it an overall sharp and honed package. You probably would like a Cayman S over the GT4. I’ll tell you right now the Recaros are among the best seats I’ve ever owned in any of my past cars and I hear a lot of folks complaining about how the seats feel in the lesser Z’s. But I understand that certain models isn’t for everyone and I get that.

Nope you’re absolutely wrong. The NZ has upgrades that make it a better car can’t deny that! The question is the price difference worth maybe 15-25 percent gain in performance that will only be noticeable on a track? I guess it depends on the person.

My point is you threw in the seats as being the most expensive part of the NZ performance advantage. I correctly pointed out that I never heard anyone say that’s the first upgrade they’re making to improve their vehicle performance on the track or open road. I’ve heard tires, brakes, tunes, suspension etc… bet never that.

 

[Nis Mo Z]

Nope you’re absolutely wrong. The NZ has upgrades that make it a better car can’t deny that! The question is the price difference worth maybe 15-25 percent gain in performance that will only be noticeable on a track? I guess it depends on the person.

My point is you threw in the seats as being the most expensive part of the NZ performance advantage. I correctly pointed out that I never heard anyone say that’s the first upgrade they’re making to improve their vehicle perform on the track or open road.

You can use that logic on any track model car. The difference between a GTR and a GTR Nismo is the entire cost of a fully loaded Nismo Z plus a miata. I don’t think it’s worth it. The difference between a 911 base and a GT3 RS is like 2 more 911 base cars. The difference between a 340i and a M3 is like 20k+. The difference between a GTS and GT4 is 20k +. The difference between a Mustang GT and a DH is 14k. The difference between a PZ and a NZ is 13k. The Z literally has among the lowest increase to the track variant along with the DH and M2 and everyone of them has upgraded body, seats, chassis, more power etc but yet folks expected Nissan to have a 5k increase.

 

[RobotAZ]

This seems like a dead conversation from 3 years ago. Like a time warp.

 

[Murix]

I got curious at the comments and started actually pricing Nismo Z oem parts. I did not get far to get to $13k. Still did not price suspension, mounts, extra cooling, etc.

What does this mean? Not much. I see someone keep saying they can build it cheaper so I kind of wanted to know.

You could ignore all these parts and spend money on other things. Like coilovers and better cooling and a tune.

NIsmo Z 15” brakes - $1900
Nismo Z wheels (set of 4) - $4000
Dunlop SP Sport MaXX GT 600 - $1500
Nismo Z front bumper - $1500
Nismo Z rear bumper - $1400
Nismo Z Recaro seats (pair) - $4000

 

[Nis Mo Z]

I got curious at the comments and started actually pricing Nismo Z oem parts. I did not get far to get to $13k. Still did not price suspension, mounts, extra cooling, etc.

What does this mean? Not much. I see someone keep saying they can build it cheaper so I kind of wanted to know.

NIsmo Z 15” brakes - $1900
Nismo Z wheels (set of 4) - $4000
Dunlop SP Sport MaXX GT 600 - $1500
Nismo Z front bumper - $1500
Nismo Z rear bumper - $1400
Nismo Z Recaro seats (pair) - $4000

Its even worse than what you found. The 2 bumpers you mentioned is unpainted pricing without the Nismo badges lol. The Recaros are actually a lot lot more than that unless you found them used on ebay. The rear spoiler painted is $2800 and the side skirts I can't find the cost but it will be pricey with paint.

 

[Murix]

I found the recaros used on ebay. These are real prices I can pay right now. Just some simple google search when I should be working. But yeah there are a lot of pieces I can not even find.

 

[Nis Mo Z]

This is just for the seat backs! Not the lower section.

 

[Meg_Z]

Its even worse than what you found. The 2 bumpers you mentioned is unpainted pricing without the Nismo badges lol. The Recaros are actually a lot lot more than that unless you found them used on ebay. The rear spoiler painted is $2800 and the side skirts I can't find the cost but it will be pricey with paint.

This will be my absolute last reply. People will of course always try to justify why they purchased X instead of Y and that’s OK. Once again most people who make performance mods are not worried about replacing the bumpers or the seats first or even at all (maybe if it’s a dedicated track car and most Z’s on this forum aren’t). Most of that is absolutely cosmetic or of limited aerodynamic significance. They replace like I stated earlier brakes, tires, suspension engines improvements (including tunes). I’ve modded cars and motorcycles and that’s never been my priority. Next thing you will talking about is the special stickers and stitching in the seats that also make it go faster…lol In the end you’re happy with NZ and that’s all that matters.

 

[Nis Mo Z]

This will be my absolute last reply. People will of course always try to justify why they purchased X instead of Y and that’s OK. Once again most people who make performance mods are not worried about replacing the bumpers or the seats first or even at all (maybe if it’s a dedicated track car and most Z’s on this forum aren’t). Most of that is absolutely cosmetic or of limited aerodynamic significance. They replace like I stated earlier brakes, tires, suspension engines improvements (including tunes). I’ve modded cars and motorcycles and that’s never been my priority. Next thing you will talking about is the special stickers and stitching in the seats that also make it go faster…lol In the end you’re happy with NZ and that’s all that matters.

For many of us the Performance and Sport models would require a lot of work and money spent to get right and sometimes it still comes up short in the aftermarket . Yes I’d rather buy the track variant up front and not have to waste a ton of money in the aftermarket. If I was into the Civic for instance, I’d rather get the Type R over the Si because the Si guy might blow another 10k and still come up short on the overall feel and look of the Type R.

The other thing is I never paid anywhere near close to msrp so I basically got my cake and eat it to…,

 

[chadhunley]

This will be my absolute last reply.

You guys don’t need to stop now, seeing what you folks have come up with have been truly entertaining indeed! The one about the red stitching was great! I'll give it 5 more HP for that alone.

 

[NocturnalEmber]

Did you mean you could buy the Nismo parts or aftermarket parts? If you meant all the parts that make up a Nismo Z you would easily spend 20k + more than you did for your performance Z. The Recaro's alone is ultra expensive. Never mind all the other stuff which would add up significantly.

I wouldn't say they are on the extremely cheap side, but they aren't expensive. Recaro's aside, you can pick things up quite affordably. The calipers are < $400 apiece, for example.

I also wouldn't be buying the front and rear bumpers because I don't like the look. Same for the rims and the tires. I'd go the heritage route for the bumper cover. As far as tires go, I wouldn't buy the factory dunlops either.

 

[Murix]

this is a silly argument. There is a rumor of a manual nismo z. I hope people buy it. I hope people buy every Z made so they keep making them

 

[C89]

I think there has been a lot of discussion about parts/performance/cost, but what about resale or future value? Should that be taken into consideration as well?

I personally believe the Nismo variant of the Z would hold its value a bit better than the Sport or Performance, and if they do end up appreciating in the future, the Nismo should appreciate more due to its rarity.

And then there's the enjoyment/happiness of owning something that is more rare and less seen, there has to be some value in there that can't be quantified with numbers as well.

 

[chadhunley]

I think there has been a lot of discussion about parts/performance/cost, but what about resale or future value? Should that be taken into consideration as well?

I personally believe the Nismo variant of the Z would hold its value a bit better than the Sport or Performance, and if they do end up appreciating in the future, the Nismo should appreciate more due to its rarity.

And then there's the enjoyment/happiness of owning something that is more rare and less seen, there has to be some value in there that can't be quantified with numbers as well.

This is a valid point. I had a 2017 370z Nismo that I had a total loss on from the insurance company about a year ago, and even as a total loss I still made over $2500.00 on the car, even though it was an insurance payout.