Does anyone have a Z yet?

[mtjohnson]

White looks so good on this car!

 

[Jtut22]

Man, y'all keep saying how over MSRP is acceptable. My local dealer would sell me a Performance (on the lot) for MSRP. Of course, I have decided $53K is way too much for what we get, I'm definitely getting a Sport now....

Not trying to knock on all y'all who spend money the way they see fit, but this chorus of "$10K over is a pretty good deal" is starting to sound like maybe some dealerships have signed up and are masquerading as actual buyers?

Send me your dealers name and number I will by the one on the lot tomorrow at MSRP! I have plenty of room for it! The one I bought is the same color and interior I had in the 1990 model 300 and only white one for sale. I got what I wanted to order but my friend who owns a dealership said most dealers are getting 1 possibly 2 a year and his isn’t coming until December. I’m not waiting a year of my life for something I want!

 

[jdm-rhd]

finally got a message from my dealer. they are getting a Z this week.

i was at my job when i saw a vm from an unknown number. they were closed by the time i got off work.

will be calling first thing tomorrow...

sadly this ended up being a false alarm. seems the new sales lady that left a message with me was mistaken.

after a bunch of calls then speaking with a manager, they concluded the Z(s) are going to arrive in late march or april.

this has been an almost 2 year crazy rollercoaster ride...

 

[takemorepills]

Send me your dealers name and number I will by the one on the lot tomorrow at MSRP! I have plenty of room for it! The one I bought is the same color and interior I had in the 1990 model 300 and only white one for sale. I got what I wanted to order but my friend who owns a dealership said most dealers are getting 1 possibly 2 a year and his isn’t coming until December. I’m not waiting a year of my life for something I want!

Now I'm starting to not believe the whole "only one Z per dealership per year" some dealers are telling people.

In my region, we had a few Proto and one or two Performance models show up in the new year. All 9AT.
Now, according to the Nissan USA site, there's 5 more 9AT coming our way in the first week of March. You also need to remember that there's a backup of 6MT models being held somewhere on a QC hold, and those will show up soon. It's looking like every Nissan dealership in my area will have or had 1 Z by March, and one of the dealership is poised to have 2 Z's so far, all 9AT.

I totally get why some people would be ok with spending some extra cash because they've waited so damn long.
But, I also wish y'all would stop chirping about how "10k over seems reasonable" because let's be real here:
-some fucked up shit ruined the new car industry, and me paying a markup is me paying a sociopolitical tax because some bullshit that shouldn't have happened, did happen.....

-on top of all that, I get the honor of paying tax on that too... So a $10k markup actually costs me $11.1k

I think we need a new forum rule, no public postings of over MSRP. People should take that to PMs. Just in case some of y'all might be dealers. It is plausible that there's a concerted effort to sway people's willingness to accept markups, and I think it'd be a reasonable forum rule just in case.....
Speaking of which, I have noticed a few new Z owners have shared that they are some kind of dealership employee.

 

[takemorepills]

Only a fool would pay over MSRP for a new car and would keep that stupidity to myself not announce that to the public.

Unless it's dealership employees logging on here.....

 

[JohnNYC]

I found a 2023 Nissan Z Performance 6 speed in boulder gray/blue suede/leather in NJ and picked her up on Tuesday! Great experience with Chris@Sansone Jr's 66 Nissan in Neptune NJ. I had her flatbed transported to my car spa in Brooklyn to apply transparent paint protection wrap (Xpel product) which should be finished up end of next week. As it's winter weather in the northeast I'll probably just garage her until early spring and then enjoy my new Z until the fall. I haven't even driven her yet, so psyched to take her for a drive!

The new Z is well into the PPF install, product by Xpel. Can't wait for the car spa to finish the job so I can finally start enjoying my new Z. It's been nearly 3 weeks since I bought it and still haven't driven the new Z yet.

 

[mtjohnson]

Man, y'all keep saying how over MSRP is acceptable. My local dealer would sell me a Performance (on the lot) for MSRP. Of course, I have decided $53K is way too much for what we get, I'm definitely getting a Sport now....

Not trying to knock on all y'all who spend money the way they see fit, but this chorus of "$10K over is a pretty good deal" is starting to sound like maybe some dealerships have signed up and are masquerading as actual buyers?

I was unable to find anyone who would sell at MSRP for ANY model (sport, performance or Proto). I was quoted 10K even 15K over sticker repeatedly until I secured the deal I got. I can assure you I'm no "dealer" or employee. Did I get the best "value for my money" probably not....but I dont care. I could just as easily flip it and turn a profit, but I don't care about that either. Id much rather enjoy owning one and driving it.

Dont bash anyone who purchased over MSRP. There are people that spend 7-15K on a SUMMER VACATION or family getaway!!! To some of us, its not about waving money around, or that money doesn't matter, or anything like that - its that we determined the extra price was worth it to enjoy the car now. Im hopeful for everyone that has waited so long that the car comes down in price. I hope you are able to secure one at MSRP or UNDER for that matter. And when that happens.....I wont be upset that you got a better deal than me. I will be happy! Happy I have been able to enjoy the car during that time AND happy that you are getting to enjoy yours now. There are simply not enough of these things to go around at this time.

 

[takemorepills]

I was unable to find anyone who would sell at MSRP for ANY model (sport, performance or Proto). I was quoted 10K even 15K over sticker repeatedly until I secured the deal I got. I can assure you I'm no "dealer" or employee. Did I get the best "value for my money" probably not....but I dont care. I could just as easily flip it and turn a profit, but I don't care about that either. Id much rather enjoy owning one and driving it.

Dont bash anyone who purchased over MSRP. There are people that spend 7-15K on a SUMMER VACATION or family getaway!!! To some of us, its not about waving money around, or that money doesn't matter, or anything like that - its that we determined the extra price was worth it to enjoy the car now. Im hopeful for everyone that has waited so long that the car comes down in price. I hope you are able to secure one at MSRP or UNDER for that matter. And when that happens.....I wont be upset that you got a better deal than me. I will be happy! Happy I have been able to enjoy the car during that time AND happy that you are getting to enjoy yours now. There are simply not enough of these things to go around at this time.

I'm not "bashing" anyone.
It's your money to do with as you see fit.
I'm just asking people if we could simmer down on the "$10k seems like a good deal" rhetoric.
I'm being nice by presuming those saying that might be dealers, that's definitely not bashing.
You don't need to defend yourself from some random people in the internet, because many of us don't want to hear why it's acceptable to pay more than you should for something.

 

[mtjohnson]

……as I’m sure many of us don’t want to hear what is and isn’t acceptable to pay. That’s completely relative. I do t care what ANYONE thinks is acceptable to pay. That’s up to to the people paying it.

 

[West Aussie]

……as I’m sure many of us don’t want to hear what is and isn’t acceptable to pay. That’s completely relative. I do t care what ANYONE thinks is acceptable to pay. That’s up to to the people paying it.

it is…but it’s also an open forum, and people have every right to express their own thoughts
You dont have to like them, but nor should you get upset over them.

If you were to drive said car home tomorrow and it was totalled, your insurance company would not pay the extra mark up value ….it would be lost
In another year when there are a few more cars available, the car will not only lose the mark up value but another ten k so you lose again.

You are correct, some people do spend that much on a holiday, but you are not lining the pockets of some greedy dealer when you do so, you actually get something for that money. Where as those who pay a ton over sticker price get nothing more than someone who pays MSRP except the ability to drive it a few months earlier and make a dealer rich

But worse still you are normalising mark ups, accepting them and giving said dealers the thumbs up to continue to charge outrageous prices, which in turn sees them continuing the practice

You have every right to do what you want with your money, but others have every right to protest about ridiculous mark ups and those who enable them as it affects their ability to buy and how much of their money they have to give away for nothing

And before you come at me…none of this affects me as I’m in Aus where it’s illegal to sell above sticker, but understand it’s a forum and everyone has a right to express their opinion

 

[takemorepills]

……as I’m sure many of us don’t want to hear what is and isn’t acceptable to pay. That’s completely relative. I do t care what ANYONE thinks is acceptable to pay. That’s up to to the people paying it.

This last 3 years have been really difficult.
It has given dealers to opportunity to greatly increase per-unit profits.

Things are finally stabilizing, but you can bet dealers will milk this as long as possible.

You are damn right it's your money, I never, ever said y'all made a bad decision. I have consistently suggested to please dial it down a bit, if only to keep the"wolves" from finding further justification to continue asking high prices. I only suggested some of y'all might be dealers, don't take it so personally.

 

[mtjohnson]

Gentlemen - I think we just see this differently and that is perfectly ok.

Yes, people actually get something out of family vacations, but the counter argument here would be at which point? It’s a slippery slope to start saying this should cost “x or y”. Is a good family vacation 2k? 5k 15k? Is the person paying 15k getting 3 times the vacation as the person paying 5?
My only point is - to me, I AM getting something for the money. The fun and enjoyment of owning a car that brings back memories of the Z I had right out of college. Getting to enjoy that sooner rather that later, IS something more than just someone that pays MSRP. Case in point….there isn’t anyone in my market that has one BECAUSE dealers aren’t selling them at MSRP.
I hope that they do soon. I know times have been rough for many these three years. That’s not lost on me.
Apologies for a terse response.
I just think it’s two sides of the same coin

 

[West Aussie]

Gentlemen - I think we just see this differently and that is perfectly ok.

Yes, people actually get something out of family vacations, but the counter argument here would be at which point? It’s a slippery slope to start saying this should cost “x or y”. Is a good family vacation 2k? 5k 15k? Is the person paying 15k getting 3 times the vacation as the person paying 5?
My only point is - to me, I AM getting something for the money. The fun and enjoyment of owning a car that brings back memories of the Z I had right out of college. Getting to enjoy that sooner rather that later, IS something more than just someone that pays MSRP. Case in point….there isn’t anyone in my market that has one BECAUSE dealers aren’t selling them at MSRP.
I hope that they do soon. I know times have been rough for many these three years. That’s not lost on me.
Apologies for a terse response.
I just think it’s two sides of the same coin

Except they are.., there are people on this very forum that have paid MSRP, and if people stopped caving and giving their money away for free, there would be a heck of a lot more.

Most people will not spend 10k on a holiday for 1 person…that’s a family holiday right there, it’s a deposit for a house, it’s a years worth of groceries …

You would still get the same fun and enjoyment of owning the car if you waited six months..in fact I’m guessing you would get far more enjoyment because you would save yourself ten k and your whole family could go on a cruise as well as having the car

You are correct we won’t see eye to eye, but the purpose for my rant was more to say…don’t get upset just because people have different views. Your choices have real consequences for others in the market so they have as much right to voice their opinions as anyone…it’s not an attack, it’s not telling you what to do….it’s simply their opinion

As mentioned mark ups don’t affect me, it’s unbelievable to an Australian that anyone would pay even a $1 more than what something is worth

 

[bpeckham]

OK

That chin spoiler looks much more aggressive in that camera angle. The red calipers look great. Really shows its heritage. Nice!

 

[mtjohnson]

Except they are.., there are people on this very forum that have paid MSRP, and if people stopped caving and giving their money away for free, there would be a heck of a lot more.

Most people will not spend 10k on a holiday for 1 person…that’s a family holiday right there, it’s a deposit for a house, it’s a years worth of groceries …

You would still get the same fun and enjoyment of owning the car if you waited six months..in fact I’m guessing you would get far more enjoyment because you would save yourself ten k and your whole family could go on a cruise as well as having the car

You are correct we won’t see eye to eye, but the purpose for my rant was more to say…don’t get upset just because people have different views. Your choices have real consequences for others in the market so they have as much right to voice their opinions as anyone…it’s not an attack, it’s not telling you what to do….it’s simply their opinion

As mentioned mark ups don’t affect me, it’s unbelievable to an Australian that anyone would pay even a $1 more than what something is worth

I understand that it’s an opinion as is mine. I truly do wish all those hunting the best of luck in finding the Z they want at whatever price they feel comfortable paying.
I would have gladly paid MSRP if I could have found a single dealer willing to part with one at MSRP in a 300 mile radius. Being that my markup was smaller than what most are seeing …AND there were no hidden fees, or outrageous dealer prep packages, I felt it was fair.I’d love to hear from some people that have cars in hand they have been able to get at sticker and to those folks BIG Congrats!!!!

Sooo… would I enjoy the car if I waited 6 months? Sure! But I’d rather enjoy the car now than wait another half year and “maybe” get one. Would I pay what equates to roughly an extra $800 for each month to enjoy it now vs waiting another 6 months? In a heartbeat. I think they will continue to be scarce for a while longer but I hope I’m wrong for all of those Z fans searching.
I’m sure I just read the original post wrong. I’m not one to just look for fights on message boards. I came here to share my joy in finding one with like minded people. That is all.
I also agree that 10k above retail is egregious! But everything is a matter of supply and demand…from game systems, to concert tickets, to houses…the price is what the market says it is.
But I also understand how someone wanting one at retail can be upset thinking people are keeping the prices high by buying them…(so perhaps we can see eye to eye). I just don’t see that changing anytime soon.