General Ask a Nissan Salesman Thread

[JoeTX]

I'm not asking anyone to buy from me though I will say I would love if you did. The online route is growing super popular but with how many issues Carvana has had being banned from multiple counties and what not that avenue still has a long way to go. The manufacturer likes the dealership model because the dealer becomes the face and body of the entire experience. The manufacturer can take a step back and not have to handle the nightmare that is the average car buyer.

Carvana isn't a manufacture though, they are reseller like CarMax. look at TSLA sales and their online sales, it's the only car manufacture that is posting amazing sales.

btw thanks for taking the heat LOL. I'd love to buy a car from you if you sell it at MSRP.

 

[Haste]

The Z makes 400HP in any trim and the Supra makes 386HP but you have to start at a MSRP of 55k. Now I understand people have said if you dyno the MKV it comes to 410-420HP but I'm not subscribed to that just yet. The supra is going to be 100-200lbs lighter so it will most likely be a little quicker so that is a thing to consider. Personally I like the retro modern design of the Z vs the over designed lines of the Supra, plus I HATE fake vents. The big thing right now is that you can get the Z with the 6 speed manual without the issues that existed in the 370Z with rev match.

I think the 2 biggest contentions between these two cars for most people is going to be pricing and urgency of purchase. The Z is cheaper by a substantial margin even in the Performance trim (expecting 45-49k). However the MKV you can get now and the Z may be out in June but could be delayed again.

But if you were a Toyota salesman, you'd be telling us that a 18 hp difference is irrelevant and how the 3.0 MkV really makes the advertised bhp to the wheels, right? ?

I'm no fan of the Mk5 either for a variety of reasons, but I fully expect stock for stock that a newer Supra w/B58TU will make more whp than the new Z regardless of what the spec sheets say. C&D dyno'd a '21 3.0L at 388 whp/421 lb-ft. 382 bhp is just a number that BMW/Toyota decided just like 400 bhp is what Nissan decided, but I don't blame you for trying to use that as an advantage for the Z when working a deal.

 

[Blackbeard]

allso putting a 5k mark up on the sport and doesnt even come with a limited slip is going to be a hard sale for some

 

[siggy]

Hey Shawn Welcome…sorry to throw you a curly straight up but….

I’ve seen you in Facebook, you had me convinced you were a nice guy until you said that you will be charging over sticker price and that dealers have no choice but to do so.

No other country feels the need to charge exorbitant rates, car shortages are a world wide problem, not just to the US …so I see no real reason to be doing this except greed.

if you can explain why you think it’s ok for dealers to take advantage of peoples desperation…please go ahead, I will probably still disagree, but I think it’s worth an open debate with those in the industry

This again…there is nothing to debate. We’re all just playing by the rules. There are laws or a lack there of, good or bad. Supply and demand. Basic economics. Right now lots of demand but no supply. Can you please provide me with an AUS forum so I can post ad nauseam when I get my next car 10-20% under MSRP while you’re paying MSRP?

 

[LeatherWings]

Can you please provide me with an AUS forum so I can post ad nauseam when I get my next car 10-20% under MSRP while you’re paying MSRP?

Isn't this a global Z forum?

 

[siggy]

Isn't this a global Z forum?

Don’t different countries have different laws?

There is no debate to be had. Write your congress official or protest or whatever people do. I can still get a Bronco, Mach 1, Hellcat at 2% under INVOICE. Jeep Wrangler 7% under INVOICE. C8 Corvette for MSRP. This is all very easy to do. These are all high demand vehicles. Prior to Covid I got a new C7 for 15% under invoice and it wasn’t that hard. If you want to be the first person in the US with a Z, you are likely paying an ADM. This is a FIRST WORLD problem so people should just stop bitching. Skyrocketing housing, rent, groceries, etc. are a much bigger problem in ‘Merica.

 

[LeatherWings]

This is a FIRST WORLD problem so people should just stop bitching.

Stop bitching? Sir, this is the internet. You must be new here lol

 

[McLovin157]

But if you were a Toyota salesman, you'd be telling us that a 18 hp difference is irrelevant and how the 3.0 MkV really makes the advertised bhp to the wheels, right? ?

I'm no fan of the Mk5 either for a variety of reasons, but I fully expect stock for stock that a newer Supra w/B58TU will make more whp than the new Z regardless of what the spec sheets say. C&D dyno'd a '21 3.0L at 388 whp/421 lb-ft. 382 bhp is just a number that BMW/Toyota decided just like 400 bhp is what Nissan decided, but I don't blame you for trying to use that as an advantage for the Z when working a deal.

The strategy for selling the car varies person to person. It all depends on one question, What do you want the car to accomplish? The Z is a Japanese sports car built buy Nissan. Toyota has to partner with other companies to make sports cars. So if you want a BMW or Subaru then go get a MKV or GR86. The z has a rich history and an unbelievable aftermarket community. For a normal buyer would my big questions is owning a MKV worth 55k when you can own a Z starting at 40k? I mean you not only have a manual but you also can buy a Z for cheaper and get more features with the performance trim.

 

[McLovin157]

Carvana isn't a manufacture though, they are reseller like CarMax. look at TSLA sales and their online sales, it's the only car manufacture that is posting amazing sales.

btw thanks for taking the heat LOL. I'd love to buy a car from you if you sell it at MSRP.

Believe me I would love to sell at MSRP. I just have boundaries I have to follow as well. I hope soon this inventory bs is done so I can.

 

[McLovin157]

allso putting a 5k mark up on the sport and doesnt even come with a limited slip is going to be a hard sale for some

It's true and for the sport it may be less, I guaranteed a mark up not to EXCEED 5k. Sports may sell like shit and from the pre orders I've taken 92% of them have been Performance trims.

 

[Haste]

The strategy for selling the car varies person to person. It all depends on one question, What do you want the car to accomplish? The Z is a Japanese sports car built buy Nissan. Toyota has to partner with other companies to make sports cars. So if you want a BMW or Subaru then go get a MKV or GR86. The z has a rich history and an unbelievable aftermarket community. For a normal buyer would my big questions is owning a MKV worth 55k when you can own a Z starting at 40k? I mean you not only have a manual but you also can buy a Z for cheaper and get more features with the performance trim.

For sure, just giving my 2 cents on the power ratings. I'm sure many deals will be made without the Supra even being brought up. A lot of people already know what they want and which cars are and aren't for them.

 

[Drseckzytime]

The Z makes 400HP in any trim and the Supra makes 386HP but you have to start at a MSRP of 55k. Now I understand people have said if you dyno the MKV it comes to 410-420HP but I'm not subscribed to that just yet. The supra is going to be 100-200lbs lighter so it will most likely be a little quicker so that is a thing to consider. Personally I like the retro modern design of the Z vs the over designed lines of the Supra, plus I HATE fake vents. The big thing right now is that you can get the Z with the 6 speed manual without the issues that existed in the 370Z with rev match.

I think the 2 biggest contentions between these two cars for most people is going to be pricing and urgency of purchase. The Z is cheaper by a substantial margin even in the Performance trim (expecting 45-49k). However the MKV you can get now and the Z may be out in June but could be delayed again.

I would walked to the next person or drove to the next stealership. Under $52k for 382hp that is well known to be underrated by now.

Selling cars was the shortest lived job I ever had. As a car lover, and a person with morals seeing people excited to get something just to walk out of the finance office deflated or mad was soul crushing. Seeing salespeople, managers, and finance taking advantage of families in need was horrible, because their job is to make money and to buy themselves nicer things at any cost of dignity. And I left PRE-PANDEMIC.

I keep in contact with someone there. They went from selling 12 cars a month, to due to mark ups needing only to sell 2 cars a month to make the same, and now they're selling 4-6 a month. Yes, they're making double-triple to what they did before.

If I see "market price" on a car online, I skip that stealership because I know they are going to bend you over immediately.

There are some family owned places still doing cars at MSRP, support those places, I will pay sticker and even consider financing through them. Anyone who says they're "the nice guys only charging $5000 ADM" are not the nice guys, and don't deserve any business at all. Slam them in reviews, and slam them with surveys, contact the manufacturer as well.

There's a reason Ford and GM are starting to crack down on these stealerships, the writing is on the wall soon as these artificial shortages are up in the next year or two.

 

[McLovin157]

For sure, just giving my 2 cents on the power ratings. I'm sure many deals will be made without the Supra even being brought up. A lot of people already know what they want and which cars are and aren't for them.

When it comes to the early sales these are all z enthusiasts or people who have dreamed of owning or reowning a Z. There has been enough teasing that like you said most everyone knows what they want/ what they are getting.

Though a year or so from now the fact that the Z is 5-15k cheaper will allow the car to pretty much sell itself. Honestly Nissan hit it out of the park with the new Z. The pricing is perfect, great numbers, (personally) a perfect balance of retro/modern styling, tuner ready being turboed, and I sure will be a dream to drive.

We just need the stupid thing to get here!

 

[McLovin157]

I would walked to the next person or drove to the next stealership. Under $52k for 382hp that is well known to be underrated by now.

Selling cars was the shortest lived job I ever had. As a car lover, and a person with morals seeing people excited to get something just to walk out of the finance office deflated or mad was soul crushing. Seeing salespeople, managers, and finance taking advantage of families in need was horrible, because their job is to make money and to buy themselves nicer things at any cost of dignity. And I left PRE-PANDEMIC.

I keep in contact with someone there. They went from selling 12 cars a month, to due to mark ups needing only to sell 2 cars a month to make the same, and now they're selling 4-6 a month. Yes, they're making double-triple to what they did before.

If I see "market price" on a car online, I skip that stealership because I know they are going to bend you over immediately.

There are some family owned places still doing cars at MSRP, support those places, I will pay sticker and even consider financing through them. Anyone who says they're "the nice guys only charging $5000 ADM" are not the nice guys, and don't deserve any business at all. Slam them in reviews, and slam them with surveys, contact the manufacturer as well.

There's a reason Ford and GM are starting to crack down on these stealerships, the writing is on the wall soon as these artificial shortages are up in the next year or two.

I don't know what salesman you know that get to crack heads on every car deal but I assure you they are lying. Also it would be super nice to make 2-3 times what I was making pre pandemic but for myself that hasn't been the case. I work with some people that do just crack people over the head but that's not for me. I also will never claim that you can't buy at MSRP. I had a guy drop out of the race for a Z because he got a lock on a C8 for MSRP. He is waiting 18 months for it but he got what he was after. If you want an incite into who I am I would happily take a phone call and go over everything but I do everything I can to not fall into the stereotypical salesman.

Then this whole Ford and GM "cracking down" on dealerships is a farce. It's just a way to divert attention from them. Manufacturers get to clean house because guess who pockets those "rebates" they offered (it's not the dealer). Because guess who offered the craziest rebates in the market? It's the domestics. I'll tell you exactly what will happen with this "crack down", they will pick a select number of dealers that are the worst case examples of markups and cut allocations by an undisclosed amount and the manufacturer will come out on top of this PR stunt.

 

[White_turbo]

Why should a dealership sell a vehicle on the lot to a consumer at below market rate and let that consumer pocket a big profit?

Not sure how consumer is pocketing the profit if they buy the car to drive. You are probably talking about car flipping but that only applies to specialty cars like the Porsche GT3 and such, which the Z is not.

I understand this is a supply and demand thing but the demand is artificial because there is always someone who wants to be the 1st one to get the new shiny stuff. And those are the ones that are willing to pay for the ADM. Good for them, but I just think is stupid. I know some of you disagree but is ok.