Hands Up all the Aussies

[jezzza]

Hello there.
I am new to the Nissan Z Club

Welcome! Odd question to join a Z forum to ask.

I'd say our Pathfinder will almost certainly be EV, HEV or PHEV by 2026.

Hopefully there'll be some Z Coupes around by then too.

 

[peter]

Nissan take note

Ford says it is working overtime to boost production of the new Ranger ute after waiting times blow out to nine months and beyond.

 

[loudsx]

Nissan take note

Ford says it is working overtime to boost production of the new Ranger ute after waiting times blow out to nine months and beyond.

don't worry nissan is doing same for navara.

 

[West Aussie]

Ooh Aussie thread nice.

Hello there.
I am new to the Nissan Z Club

Anyways, our family is thinking about moving from the Philippines to NSW Australia in about two years time.

And one of the vehicles that we are looking to purchase is a Nissan Pathfinder R53 (which I heard is arriving in Australia this quarter)

I just hope Nissan would be kind enough to introduce a Diesel and/or Hybrid variant of this car.
*because the current engine choice (VQ35DD non-hybrid) seems thirsty (?)*

Welcome, and I hope you enjoy NSW….but don’t expect the Pathfinder any time soon.
There are people that have been waiting for it close on a year…much like the Z
At this time I don’t have any faith in Nissan getting anything out on mass

 

[morgand]

don't worry nissan is doing same for navara.

Yeah, the Navara availability isn't too bad actually.

OEM's are all focused on not loosing key market share in particular segments, or increasing market share in segments where other OEM's are struggling. You can imagine the strategy sessions at the moment as they try to work out where they want to be when they come out the other side of this.

There have been some interesting examples with Toyota de-prioritised Camry manufacturing, probably as dominant in this segment. Nissan appears to be focused on Utes and mid to large SUV's. Anecdotally a number of Landcruiser buyers have swung over to Patrols, especially with Toyota's recent mandatory price rise. That may also flow to other OEM's, for example the Z already has had a small price rise, however being covered at the moment to contracted buyers. If deliveries blow out a long way, that may not be the case.

Can you imagine West Aussie's post if that happens.

 

[West Aussie]

Yeah, the Navara availability isn't too bad actually.

OEM's are all focused on not loosing key market share in particular segments, or increasing market share in segments where other OEM's are struggling. You can imagine the strategy sessions at the moment as they try to work out where they want to be when they come out the other side of this.

There have been some interesting examples with Toyota de-prioritised Camry manufacturing, probably as dominant in this segment. Nissan appears to be focused on Utes and mid to large SUV's. Anecdotally a number of Landcruiser buyers have swung over to Patrols, especially with Toyota's recent mandatory price rise. That may also flow to other OEM's, for example the Z already has had a small price rise, however being covered at the moment to contracted buyers. If deliveries blow out a long way, that may not be the case.

Can you imagine West Aussie's post if that happens.

I honestly don’t know who is holding Nissans strategy meetings..but tell them from me, the best strategy is filling orders you already have and keeping customers happy.

A Z buyer such as myself is not a one car household. We have 3 at the moment (my husbands and my two sons) when we need a new 4WD I’ll give you the tip….I won’t be coming to Nissan because of the poor communication and constant shifting of goal posts.
I could never trust them again

 

[loudsx]

Yeah, the Navara availability isn't too bad actually.

OEM's are all focused on not loosing key market share in particular segments, or increasing market share in segments where other OEM's are struggling. You can imagine the strategy sessions at the moment as they try to work out where they want to be when they come out the other side of this.

There have been some interesting examples with Toyota de-prioritised Camry manufacturing, probably as dominant in this segment. Nissan appears to be focused on Utes and mid to large SUV's. Anecdotally a number of Landcruiser buyers have swung over to Patrols, especially with Toyota's recent mandatory price rise. That may also flow to other OEM's, for example the Z already has had a small price rise, however being covered at the moment to contracted buyers. If deliveries blow out a long way, that may not be the case.

Can you imagine West Aussie's post if that happens.

i get that. A patrol is what 150ish day wait.
Friend just got his cruiser after a over 2 year wait.

 

[loudsx]

I honestly don’t know who is holding Nissans strategy meetings..but tell them from me, the best strategy is filling orders you already have and keeping customers happy.

Having sat in enough product meetings I can tell you how this is done.

ok so we know we can sell every car we make currently.

what car makes most profit?

ok make a bunch of those.

Filling orders for less profitable units is way lower strategy.

just be happy they actually made it.

 

[West Aussie]

Having sat in enough product meetings I can tell you how this is done.

ok so we know we can sell every car we make currently.

what car makes most profit?

ok make a bunch of those.

Filling orders for less profitable units is way lower strategy.

just be happy they actually made it.

That’s the wrong strategy though…because returning customers will always make you more money in the long run

Yeah you may make less on a S than a patrol. But someone buying a patrol as their main focus is much less likely than someone who bought a Z and was happy with service coming back to buy a second car such as a patrol.
That’s the point of a Z …to bring in customers and drive up business.

If that’s what you guys really think is good business, it’s no wonder the company is in trouble. Short term pain for long term gain almost always produces results

 

[morgand]

That’s the wrong strategy though…because returning customers will always make you more money in the long run

If that’s what you guys really think is good business, it’s no wonder the company is in trouble. Short term pain for long term gain almost always produces results

100% agree with you.

The sad truth is most senior exec roles are short term, so short term thinking generally is more pervasive. Added to this the OEM is somewhat disconnected from the customer, so the onus on customer good will resides with the dealership.

The group I work for is absolutely focused on long term customer loyalty. No dealerships in Perth though, so can't help you out there.

 

[indio22]

Having sat in enough product meetings I can tell you how this is done.

ok so we know we can sell every car we make currently.

what car makes most profit?

ok make a bunch of those.

Filling orders for less profitable units is way lower strategy.

just be happy they actually made it.

But isn't it more complicated than that, given Nissan likely has a semi-dedicated production line and resource/materials allocation for each vehicle model? So even if for arguments sake, Pathfinder is more profitable, Nissan can't simply have the Z line make Pathfinders.

If Nissan has a Z production line and certain resources dedicated to making Zs, then Nissan needs to make Zs. And make them at the planned capacity, to maximize the profit and not lose money.

Unless this is another situation where shared resources/components between vehicles, are in short supply. Such as an example where same chip is used in Pathfinder and Z, not enough of that chip to go around, and so yes in that case Nissan might decide to lessen Z production (if for arguments sake the limited chips are better used in a higher profit margin Pathfinder).

 

[loudsx]

But isn't it more complicated than that, given Nissan likely has a semi-dedicated production line and resource/materials allocation for each vehicle model? So even if for arguments sake, Pathfinder is more profitable, Nissan can't simply have the Z line make Pathfinders.

If Nissan has a Z production line and certain resources dedicated to making Zs, then Nissan needs to make Zs. And make them at the planned capacity, to maximize the profit and not lose money.

Unless this is another situation where shared resources/components between vehicles, are in short supply. Such as an example where same chip is used in Pathfinder and Z, not enough of that chip to go around, and so yes in that case Nissan might decide to lessen Z production (if for arguments sake the limited chips are better used in a higher profit margin Pathfinder).

if Nissans plant us like our Japan one the big hold back is staff right now.

so you put what staff you have on the bigger $$ units.

as for loyalty. That’s your navara/patrol driver right there. Plus stupidly quashai (how ever it is spelt)

not the z that they only do a new one of every 13 years.

 

[Evolution]

To all those saying that dealers don't care about people with deposits backing out, you are wrong. They lose money everytime someone does. How many of you put your deposit down with some sort of plastic device with numbers and a chip on it? Guessing most people did. Well guess what, the dealer paid for 2-3% of whatever the deposit was made just to process the payment. They don't get that % back if the deposit is returned. It's the credit/debit card companies banking in on these people pulling out putting nissan dealers even further behind.

 

[West Aussie]

To all those saying that dealers don't care about people with deposits backing out, you are wrong. They lose money everytime someone does. How many of you put your deposit down with some sort of plastic device with numbers and a chip on it? Guessing most people did. Well guess what, the dealer paid for 2-3% of whatever the deposit was made just to process the payment. They don't get that % back if the deposit is returned. It's the credit/debit card companies banking in on these people pulling out putting nissan dealers even further behind.

Completely agree
Not only that…but until the car reaches them it’s not theirs to on sale …so that sale potential then goes to another dealer or not at all. They lose the entire deposit and the sale

My beef is not with the dealers…especially those privately owned. They are just trying to get bye with no inventory.
It is with Nissan Aus cooperates lack of info and Global Nissan

I’m sorry but lack of work force doesn't cut it. Japans Covid rate has dropped substantially in the last 4 months, and the Zs production line was moved to full automated (first time for the Z) meaning a lot less workforce is needed to produce them full stop.

Something is not adding up

 

[West Aussie]

Just saw this posted on Facebook..no idea if it’s true or not, but no reason for a dealer to lie at this point.

If true I’m out…I’m sick of the bullshit, I have contacted my dealer for confirmation of rumour

“Anyone else got a call from there dealership saying that "Nissan Aus have informed them about 400 cars ordered for Australia is being scrapped due to some fault and will be another 2-3month wait? (Nissan Werribee)”