Hands Up all the Aussies

[loudsx]

Quick, run, it's the...Automotive Trouble Force?

I'll show myself out

all safe, ordered a manual no ATF needed here

 

[morgand]

all safe, ordered a manual no ATF needed here

Ha ha, might be better off with the Auto now. ha ha.

 

[West Aussie]

We can talk about the likelihood of Nissan Australia or even Nissan Global going to receivership all day long. No one speculating on a forum is going to be sued.

Problem is they committed to orders before they were ready …both transmissions seem to have issues. People are sick of waiting, and pulling deposits…deposits the company can ill afford to lose given the economic dire straights they are in, particularly if they have now bought parts to make said cars, even if they are still waiting on them.
Therefore they are willing to tag along anyone who has made an order, and take more orders on to fill the ones they have lost AND to try and become more financially viable, even if they don’t have said product to sell.
The simple fact is they have been taking orders for over a year officially and longer unofficially….it’s a product everyone wants but they can still not produce. So they are trying to lock people in as much as possible to keep pseudo sales ticking and keep the banks and owner dealers happy.

That is MY theory only…I have no proof …but to me it makes a lot of sense

 

[Mud]

I dont think that's how it works.
Deposits are held by the dealers not Nissan Aus and certainly not passed back to Nissan JP to pay for for production

 

[West Aussie]

I dont think that's how it works.
Deposits are held by the dealers not Nissan Aus and certainly not passed back to Nissan JP to pay for for production

It’s not just about the deposit..its about locking an order in that they have ordered parts for but do not have…lose the order lose money that they don’t have.
Not rocket science …
However it is about deposits for dealers. They don’t have cars to sell, they haven’t had cars to sell for a long time, my dealer said …and I quote “ I’m banking on the cars being delivered by the end of the year”
They are walking a very tight line

It’s a mix of both a dealers issue, and the companies issues with both needing orders (and cash) to survive after two years of nothing

 

[Mud]

I'm pretty sure Nissan and car manufacturers in general don't order parts just to make cars based on orders.
They're not baking cakes.

Yes dealers need the sales now more than ever but most dealers I know have more than one brand and have for a long time.
Dealers do go broke from time to time like all businesses.
A Nissan dealer or multiple dealers going broke doesn't effect Nissan Au or Nissan Jp.
The dealership license (and vehicle orders) just gets sold on or moved to another dealer



Remember also,
Renault own 43% of Nissan and Nissan control 34% of Mitsubishi.
There's plenty of help out there for Nissan

 

[loudsx]

so this is kind of the opposite. the worse Nissan is doing the less likley they are to build your Z.

the Z is less than 1% of their sales and due to those low numbers the lowest profit per unit.

Navara/small SUV's are their bulk volume and thus highest margin.
so it's in their best interest to pump those out.

so the comment about lack of builders earlier makes sense that they would pull people from the Z line to keep movment on the profit making lines.


and as above that deposit is with dealer not with Nissan HQ so thre is no pain for nissan if some-one pulls out, more so as they know they have 12 months+ sales.

 

[West Aussie]

so this is kind of the opposite. the worse Nissan is doing the less likley they are to build your Z.

the Z is less than 1% of their sales and due to those low numbers the lowest profit per unit.

Navara/small SUV's are their bulk volume and thus highest margin.
so it's in their best interest to pump those out.

so the comment about lack of builders earlier makes sense that they would pull people from the Z line to keep movment on the profit making lines.


and as above that deposit is with dealer not with Nissan HQ so thre is no pain for nissan if some-one pulls out, more so as they know they have 12 months+ sales.

You guys both completely miss what I’m saying…on the point about parts ordering. Normally yes, at the moment no….it’s widely believed they have cars part made waiting on chips for example. They don’t want to lose those buyers for said cars…particularly in the right hand market.

We will agree to disagree, but as I said….every other manufacturer is now shipping cars again, it’s nit like it’s just one or two companies. Whatever the reason Nissan dropped the ball and is finding it very hard to pick up again

 

[Mud]

You guys both completely miss what I’m saying…

Yeah, I don't get what your point was?

They don’t want to lose those buyers for said cars…particularly in the right hand market.

Nissan don't want to lose buyers?
There are literally hundreds if not thousands of customers with orders waiting.
And even more customers that want to order but cannot.
And even more potential customers that have no idea this car exists until they see them on the road.
The fact they have so many buyers lined up is exactly why they can do this. They can drag this out and burn as many pre order customers as they want, and they will still sell all the Zs that come to Australia for the foreseeable future.

every other manufacturer is now shipping cars again, it’s not like it’s just one or two companies. Whatever the reason Nissan dropped the ball and is finding it very hard to pick up again

I agree.

As @loudsx said, the Z is probably less than 1% of their global sales, so it makes sense to pump out the cars that customers won't wait around for.

 

[West Aussie]

Yeah, I don't get what your point was?


Nissan don't want to lose buyers?
There are literally hundreds if not thousands of customers with orders waiting.
And even more customers that want to order but cannot.
And even more potential customers that have no idea this car exists until they see them on the road.
The fact they have so many buyers lined up is exactly why they can do this. They can drag this out and burn as many pre order customers as they want, and they will still sell all the Zs that come to Australia for the foreseeable future.


I agree.

As @loudsx said, the Z is probably less than 1% of their global sales, so it makes sense to pump out the cars that customers won't wait around for.

Your kinda proving my point whilst not getting it ?….as I said, agree to disagree

The only point I’ll add is….people aren’t waiting around for this either. Even on the forum all but the very committed have bailed. I myself am weighing up two options. The only thing stopping me at this point is they are second hand cars, and expensive cars to fix. With no warranty it’s a gamble, otherwise I’d be gone too

 

[Proto Z]

@Proto Z thought you would find this interesting. I live in Launceston Tasmania, today I'm in Devonport Tasmania for work and one of my colleagues got sent a photo from a friend in Brisbane. My colleague knows I have one on order so said "hey look at this" ?. Random how things happen.

Lol, look Ma! I'm famous!

 

[jezzza]

So they are trying to lock people in as much as possible to keep pseudo sales ticking and keep the banks and owner dealers happy.

I disagree with this. Nissan Australia don't care about you or your preorder. There's an infinite number of customers behind you.

A dealership taking a deposit means nothing more than a potential sale down the track. The deposit isn't spent on the dealership or car production.

 

[cainen]

A dealership taking a deposit means nothing more than a potential sale down the track. The deposit isn't spent on the dealership or car production.

Just speculating but it's likely Nissan record the sale as a "receivable" once they've received a deposit which would create a much healthier looking balance sheet. Even though they don't have the physical money they could essentially spend it using credit from elsewhere. Accounting trickery to some extent which can end in a world of pain if the orders all get pulled or they can't deliver them.

No idea if that's what they do but wouldn't be surprised if it's the case.

 

[West Aussie]

Just speculating but it's likely Nissan record the sale as a "receivable" once they've received a deposit which would create a much healthier looking balance sheet. Even though they don't have the physical money they could essentially spend it using credit from elsewhere. Accounting trickery to some extent which can end in a world of pain if the orders all get pulled or they can't deliver them.

No idea if that's what they do but wouldn't be surprised if it's the case.

This…it’s not unheard of that’s for sure

 

[BLITZ009]

Ooh Aussie thread nice.

Hello there.
I am new to the Nissan Z Club

Anyways, our family is thinking about moving from the Philippines to NSW Australia in about two years time.

And one of the vehicles that we are looking to purchase is a Nissan Pathfinder R53 (which I heard is arriving in Australia this quarter)

I just hope Nissan would be kind enough to introduce a Diesel and/or Hybrid variant of this car.
*because the current engine choice (VQ35DD non-hybrid) seems thirsty (?)*