*WARNING* If you put money down to "preorder" please read. Nissan confirms NO pre-orders for 2023 Z.

[MGD]

My preference is to get mine in time for summer so I can enjoy some decent weather, that's all. And like all of us we would benefit from a hard and fast delivery date. I have a Porsche to sell but there's no way I'm parting with that until I know this car is coming. In a perfect world we'd all get what we want, when we want it, because we paid for it. In a pandemic world you have to take what you get.

Agreed! And I’m in the same boat as you, I don’t want to get rid of the Alfa Romeo until I see it rolling off the truck ?

I did put a feeler out for it though at 70kCAD just to see if there’s interest, it’s only got 3100kms and all the features no longer available in ‘22MY so I if someone wants it bad enough I’ll let it go at that price. If not, come closer to delivery I’ll rethink the pricing or keep it if I have good year this year.

 

[DevonK]

If you want to see why getting your car from the first production run may not be such a great idea, take a good look at this thread over on ft86 about the litany of issues first-production BRZ/GR86 recipients have had with their cars. And that car is from two companies generally viewed as among the most reliable, something that can't be said of Nissan:

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148093&page=1

 

[MGD]

If you want to see why getting your car from the first production run may not be such a great idea, take a good look at this thread over on ft86 about the litany of issues first-production BRZ/GR86 recipients have had with their cars. And that car is from two companies generally viewed as among the most reliable, something that can't be said of Nissan:

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148093&page=1

Thanks for the link. Love your choice of words “generally viewed as among the most reliable” ?. I have to add that I’m not surprised with the linked issues considering Toyota has the highest historical recall rate of any manufacturer in the world. And Subaru’s reliability has never been a strong suit. Ironically, my Alfa Romeo as well as all of my Nissans have been top notch, as well as my former Mercedes. I have always taken JD Power with a grain of salt as either I’m extremely lucky or JD has greasy palms from the “Top tiered” manufacturers, for which I would believe the latter. People poop on Alfa for reliability but I could literally do a search and find lemon-law examples from any manufacturer. I think most importantly is how willing a manufacturer (and it’s dealer networks) are willing to address and rectify a problem. From the sounds of the above-linked forum, this being addressed post-haste at least! ?

I won’t mind hiccups in the new Z since I have a great dealer 15km away…with my Alfa though, the dealer is 400km away ?. Which means an overnight trip and catch a Jays game with the kids ?

 

[Vilithrax]

Toyota has the highest historical recall rate of any manufacturer in the world

Tell the entire truth with claims like this. Toyota DOES have the most recalls, they also sell the most cars out of everyone. It’s more important to view them all as an equal ratio. Let’s find out how many recalls / lemons per 10,000 of each company, then discuss. Numbers without backstory are dangerous to judge off of

 

[Mardoc01]

If you want to see why getting your car from the first production run may not be such a great idea, take a good look at this thread over on ft86 about the litany of issues first-production BRZ/GR86 recipients have had with their cars. And that car is from two companies generally viewed as among the most reliable, something that can't be said of Nissan:

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148093&page=1

By first production run, do you mean for the whole year or maybe first few months of production?

 

[MGD]

Tell the entire truth with claims like this. Toyota DOES have the most recalls, they also sell the most cars out of everyone. It’s more important to view them all as an equal ratio. Let’s find out how many recalls / lemons per 10,000 of each company, then discuss. Numbers without backstory are dangerous to judge off of

There’s no truth to add…more recalls equals a greater potential for recalled vehicles. Anecdotally though, they were in the middle of the pack (in the US market anyway) between 1980-2013 with a recall rate of 0.8 or 8000 per every 10000 sold which is what it is.
Forbes recall rating

 

[DevonK]

By first production run, do you mean for the whole year or maybe first few months of production?

That remains to be seen, cars have only been in production for a few months to this point, whether the problems will get addressed quickly at the plant, who knows?

 

[V35]

 

[therumblewagon]

9 minute video about a DEPOSIT. Ain't nobody got time for that!

 

[ceric]

He assumes he can get it at sticker....
Good luck, pal.

 

[TaroBaapG35]

He assumes he can get it at sticker....
Good luck, pal.

Youtube money plus advertising the dealership he'll buy from will guarantee him a "soft" ADM if any...

 

[West Aussie]

After this is all over, and we are all happy driving our Zs around….I would love for everyone to check in with how much ADM they paid.
I think it would be really interesting ( hopefully not too painful to some) and it would also shine a light on the dealers that have done the right thing
The only way things are going to change is if the community name and shame the bad dealers and celebrate those doing the right thing by the buyer …people power can do amazing things

 

[LeatherWings]

After this is all over, and we are all happy driving our Zs around….I would love for everyone to check in with how much ADM they paid.
I think it would be really interesting ( hopefully not too painful to some) and it would also shine a light on the dealers that have done the right thing
The only way things are going to change is if the community name and shame the bad dealers and celebrate those doing the right thing by the buyer …people power can do amazing things

It's MSRP≤ or bust for me!

 

[jezzza]

9 minute video about a DEPOSIT. Ain't nobody got time for that!

That was cringe. And I'm fairly certain that there'll be no shortage of yellow Zs.