Performance Serian blue cost

[bboypuertoroc]

Sorry bud, this is the stupidest argument in any car forum about pricing of new cars ever. "WHY WUD I GIT NEW CAR WHEN 5 YEAR OLD USED CAR INSTEAD". Yeah man, I could get a 1981 Ferrari Mondial 8 for $29,990 right now (VALUE!). That doesn't have shit to do with what a new Z should cost.

When the 370Z was new in 2009, there were plenty of 2004 Corvettes you could get for the same price, too.

The real point is you can't get a 2023 C8 Corvette for $50k. You can get a 2023 Z Performance for $50k. The modern Corvette is appropriately priced for what it is (an absolute performance bargain at its price point). At the end of the day, the Z is absolutely appropriately priced for a new sports car, but I wouldn't put it's performance-for-dollar value anywhere near the new Corvette.

We're talking about appropriate pricing for a NEW Z, and if you're comparing that against other cars with the purpose of determining if the NEW Z is priced correctly, you can only make that determination by comparing it against other NEW CARS in its segment. That value determination is not to be confused with what your personal budget is for a "new to you" car. They're separate things. Obviously what you can get with your money is 1000% relevant to you. It's barely slightly minutely relevant to Nissan's pricing strategy for the Z.

What we're really finding out on this forum is there are two people -

1) I have $45k in cash (or pre-approved for a $45k car note) and I want to buy a sports car
2) I want a new Z.

If the price of the new Z is not for you, have fun and move on.

Obviously you missed the point of this conversation.

 

[StrikeS30]

Agreed. In Canada especially. You're not getting a C8 base for the same price as a Z performance.

Z performance 60k, Supra 70k, Vette 73k

 

[RicerX]

Obviously you missed the point of this conversation.

Your one line response to what I wrote illustrates the evolution of the conversation pretty clearly to me.

 

[Haste]

let me tell you something when i got the supra from my credit is good and i still got 8.9 and the finance guy and me were shooting the shit for a while after the deal and he said its gonna get worsefor a bit

8.9% on a MY22?! Yeah... I'm out on any brand new vehicle purchase if I can't get around 2%, 3% max.

What is the term?

 

[Blackbeard]

8.9% on a MY22?! Yeah... I'm out on any brand new vehicle purchase if I can't get around 2%, 3% max.

What is the term?

i have 8.9 for 60months

 

[Denver the Last Dinosaur]

Below is a price comparison I made in an earlier thread. (Because I have an interest in both vehicles.) There is little doubt the Z has jumped significantly in price since last offered.

Not really a fair comparison though.

The new 86 / BRZ has only been slightly tweaked from the previous version, whereas the new Z has a whole new body design (requiring from-scratch wind tunnel testing, etc.), a new-to-the-Z engine, etc.

Plus the 86 / BRZ costs are shared over two companies (purposely to reduce the costs), while Nissan has done the cost of the Z alone.

 

[forcer]

Not quite, OTD in Canada the Supra 3.0 is a minimum of $79k. But I agree about the depressing bit lol.

i was checking autotrader year 2020-21. its technically not new but almost new cars so i dont care, at ~64k+ CAD pre tax

 

[West Aussie]

Paint is around 1.5k here in Aus, we already have a build it page on Nissan Australia’s website, not that there is much to choose…just paint, transmission and interior

 

[JoeTX]

i have 8.9 for 60months

you should finance ASAP with a credit union. 8.9% is too high

What we're really finding out on this forum is there are two people -

1) I have $45k in cash (or pre-approved for a $45k car note) and I want to buy a sports car
2) I want a new Z.

If the price of the new Z is not for you, have fun and move on.

Everyone i spoke to that was going to get the new Z said the same thing, they didn't price it right. 51k to start and the package it comes with isn't appealing to a lot of people.
The car will sell, but don't expect it to sell as much as the 370.
10k increase between the two models is crazy and not enough to call it a performance package, where you can go with another company that offers better package for 7k from their base price and end up at the same price as the Z performance package.

 

[bboypuertoroc]

Your one line response to what I wrote illustrates the evolution of the conversation pretty clearly to me.

MSRP on a performance Z is $10k from a C8. THAT is the entire point of this conversation.

 

[bboypuertoroc]

Not really a fair comparison though.

The new 86 / BRZ has only been slightly tweaked from the previous version, whereas the new Z has a whole new body design (requiring from-scratch wind tunnel testing, etc.), a new-to-the-Z engine, etc.

Plus the 86 / BRZ costs are shared over two companies (purposely to reduce the costs), while Nissan has done the cost of the Z alone.

Perfectly fair comparison. The new twins have a new exterior, new interior, new engine, and retuned suspension... sounds kinda familiar. Only difference here is the cost sharing. I do like the fact Nissan kept it all in-house.

 

[bybepl]

Hmm. I know people have a love or hate relationship with Supra.

But I can get a 2022 Supra 3.0 at MSRP it 52.5k . That's cheaper than the performance Z I spec out in my OP

Hmmm

 

[RicerX]

Perfectly fair comparison. The new twins have a new exterior, new interior, new engine, and retuned suspension... sounds kinda familiar. Only difference here is the cost sharing. I do like the fact Nissan kept it all in-house.

LOL dude! Come on. Only difference is TWO WHOLE CARMAKERS TO INCLUDE THE LARGEST CARMAKER IN THE WORLD shared the cost presumably 50/50.

NO BIG DEAL OR ANYTHING. TOTALLY MINOR.

 

[RicerX]

Hmm. I know people have a love or hate relationship with Supra.

But I can get a 2022 Supra 3.0 at MSRP it 52.5k . That's cheaper than the performance Z I spec out in my OP

Hmmm

Is that $52,500 from a dealer? Show an order sheet. The website says $52,900 for a 3.0 with zero options.

Is your math on a Z Performance based on google or a dealer invoice? Show us an invoice for each. I'd be curious to see it.

A 3.0 base Supra is still short a few options from what comes on the Z Performance. Those options might not matter to you in particular, but it's not a straight line comparison of equipment.

 

[bboypuertoroc]

LOL dude! Come on. Only difference is TWO WHOLE CARMAKERS TO INCLUDE THE LARGEST CARMAKER IN THE WORLD shared the cost presumably 50/50.

NO BIG DEAL OR ANYTHING. TOTALLY MINOR.

No amount of yelling on the internet is gonna change the fact that the change from the 370Z to the Z is roughly the same as the change from the old twins to the new twins.

Did you even bother reading the post I was replying to?