Hands Up all the Aussies

[morgand]

yeah good luck on that

https://www.drive.com.au/news/hyundai-i20-n-orders-close-australia/

A guy at work went into a dealer a month ago, not one of ours, and picks it up in two weeks. It's already landed, and was a cancelled order.. There are some machinations of why this makes sense in dealer land which I won't go in to, to avoid flaming.. ha ha

We have circa 20,000 back orders across our group, and I imagine the other groups are similar. We've been estimating how many are speculators or traders, to help predict the turning point. Whilst there are consumers that turn cars quickly for business purposes, and will continue to drive demand with reduced supply, there are lots of discretionary purchasers who might sit it out for another year.

There are early signs that the market is slowing with interest rate rises. Used car values have dropped slightly and listing are increasing again. Admittedly, the types of cars that people here are interested in are low volume enthusiast cars, so less prone to early market movements. I am guessing that's why the N became available, as WA says, they haven't really graduated to desirable status yet, though I think they are close. Hyundai as a brand has really evolved since the Excel.

The Real Estate market, as most peoples wealth is tied to that asset, is a good predictor of retail trade especially in Australia. The listings are up and prices are down...

 

[Mud]

About 80% berries and shifting respectfully in a car with only 90kms on the clock.

 

[loudsx]

A guy at work went into a dealer a month ago, not one of ours, and picks it up in two weeks. It's already landed, and was a cancelled order.. There are some machinations of why this makes sense in dealer land which I won't go in to, to avoid flaming.. ha ha

We have circa 20,000 back orders across our group, and I imagine the other groups are similar. We've been estimating how many are speculators or traders, to help predict the turning point. Whilst there are consumers that turn cars quickly for business purposes, and will continue to drive demand with reduced supply, there are lots of discretionary purchasers who might sit it out for another year.

There are early signs that the market is slowing with interest rate rises. Used car values have dropped slightly and listing are increasing again. Admittedly, the types of cars that people here are interested in are low volume enthusiast cars, so less prone to early market movements. I am guessing that's why the N became available, as WA says, they haven't really graduated to desirable status yet, though I think they are close. Hyundai as a brand has really evolved since the Excel.

The Real Estate market, as most peoples wealth is tied to that asset, is a good predictor of retail trade especially in Australia. The listings are up and prices are down...

luck plays a part I guess.
I wanted to look at one as was contemplating it. But being a taller person this can be hit and miss.

Eg R56 Cooper s great
2022 Yaris gr. No chance

Back in June the local dealer said 0 chance at a test drive as no-one in Vic had one. And I can order one and get it sometime in 23. If I didn’t fit would help me resell it.

tried a wrx but was really let down by the manual.
(side note the wrx ts sports wagon with the CVT was much better!)

that’s when I realised what the market wasso just but bullet and put money on the Z rather than wait on the test drive like I had been.

looks like was a good idea now.

 

[Hammo25]

Anyone else see this on the AU Z Facebook group?

 

[Beard]

Anyone else see this on the AU Z Facebook group?

Last official word from Nissan was that they hope to fill 1200 orders by mid 2023 ?‍
https://www.drive.com.au/news/nissan-z-waiting-list-tops-1200-cars-z-proto-numbers-still-secret/

 

[West Aussie]

Th

Saw a tempting option in NSW in person…seriously considering buying it, however I’m concerned about transporting a unregistered car into a different state. How hard is it to get over the pits? How do I drive it unregistered to get it to the pits?

Just found this

Quotes to move car from from Sydney to Perth this week

Service	Vehicle	Price	Type
Depot to Depot	KIA	$1,626	Fastest
Depot to Door	HONDA	$1,476	With Goods
Door to Depot	FORD	$1,721	Fastest
Door to Door	TOYOTA	$1,535	With Goods

I picked up a new Qashqai in 2018 from Melbourne and drove it back to Wollongong, then just got it registered here, just depends if your up for a road trip.
What kind of car has caught your eye, if you dont mind me asking

Thanks @peter for the info

A Mercedes SLC 200…not in the same league In terms of power…but you know what.
It’s tech is actually better than the Zs even though it’s three years old.
It’s a convertible roadster which I’ve always been partial too, but a little larger than a Miata which I find just a tad too small for an everyday drive.
It’s in as new condition and it actually sounds nicer than the the Z

Will I miss the power…a little I’m sure, but I was never gonna track it, so as long as it’s fun it’s ok.

Two things stopping me. 1…the transfer, never done it and makes me nervous.
2…it’s an auto, they don’t make them in manual, which was a big sticking point to me.
On the flip side, it looks pretty, has the room I need, sounds really nice, had every bit of tech the Z does and then a little more, has quite a few factory options installed to make it more tempting, is 15k cheaper on road than the Z and comes with a two year manufacturer warranty as it’s certified. Plus we found a service centre that charges very reasonable prices for servicing .
And the most tempting part, I could have it on its way today if I wanted to

If it was a manual…wouldn’t even be having this conversation, would have bought it on the spot

I’ve also had a look at a 2016 718 in yellow. It’s 99k no warranty and being 7 years old that makes me nervous
There is also a 370z cherry red 2021 with just over 3k on the clock for 60k …also tempting, but interior is very dated

So I’m short a few very tempting options that are so close I am finding it hard to resist…but equally I’ve stuck it out this long for the Z that jumping is really a hard choice.

I will kick myself if I don’t buy one and then the Z doesn’t come for another 6-12 months, similarly I will kick myself if I do go another way and the Z is just round the corner

This is why I’m so angry with Nissan Aus they are not being open or transparent which is not giving the buyer a solid base to make educated decisions with .

 

[West Aussie]

Last official word from Nissan was that they hope to fill 1200 orders by mid 2023 ?‍
https://www.drive.com.au/news/nissan-z-waiting-list-tops-1200-cars-z-proto-numbers-still-secret/

Yeah…but since when has Nissan been straight with us.

If true 500 is nothing, two per dealer and many dealers do not have demos yet?
Meanwhile people paying ten thousand premium for a model that will actually be more popular than the cheaper model …at least for a year if true, because the 500 will be all different colours….making the coupe 2023 more rare than a proto
Who’s to say with market forces they will even continue to make it after a year …this has been such a shit show it wouldn’t surprise me

 

[Mud]

Spotto

 

[morgand]

I will kick myself if I don’t buy one and then the Z doesn’t come for another 6-12 months, similarly I will kick myself if I do go another way and the Z is just round the corner

The SLC is totally in another class, great car.
However, I am making an assumption from this comment that you would stick it out for up to 6 months for the Z?

If so I would wait. You should be able to swap into an SLC when you are too old to get into the Z anymore… . ?

 

[jezzza]

I went out to take a look at the new demo at Bartons Capalaba about an hour ago.

Nice one! Guess I'll see if I can also give it a craic over the weekend.

The automatic didn't really get me excited.

 

[West Aussie]

The SLC is totally in another class, great car.
However, I am making an assumption from this comment that you would stick it out for up to 6 months for the Z?

If so I would wait. You should be able to swap into an SLC when you are too old to get into the Z anymore… . ?

At this point I honestly don’t know. You could ask me one hour what I will buy and it would be the Mercedes’, the next time you ask me it would be the Z …I’m really torn

 

[loudsx]

Well I'm out for a bit, USA/EU for next few weeks.

hoping you all get some good news whilst gone.

 

[Mud]

Nice one! Guess I'll see if I can also give it a craic over the weekend.

The automatic didn't really get me excited.

They asked me for a $500 deposit. But were kind enough to wave it when I explained I had an order at their other dealership

 

[loudsx]

but just as a side note,

Nissan Z is the 3rd highest selling sports car in AU for dec 2022

https://www.drive.com.au/news/vfacts-december-2022-australian-new-car-sales/

 

[West Aussie]

They asked me for a $500 deposit. But were kind enough to wave it when I explained I had an order at their other dealership

Wait…are you saying they asked for a. 500 deposit before they would let you test drive it?
So what’s the point of a demo? They are supposed to be for people to test and decide if they want a car, not to force them into a contract before testing.

This is why demos should have gone to buyers not dealers, I know we all have differing opinions on this.
But again what the use of more orders when you have a year ( possibly three if the 500 rumours are correct) backlog
At this point we will be able to buy a demo before the cars actually arrive