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And in the real world - many examples out there - just look at the difference between, say, an M240i and an M2C - admittedly some difference in hp (though not so much in torque) and wheel/tire size, but handling-wise most of the difference is just in tuning the same basic setup (and some help...

Not just the critics. In SCCA autocross street class (minimal mods), circa 2015 the Z was competitive (at least marginally) with the BRZ/FRS and NC. These days, the ND2 rules that class (the FRS/86 with TRD parts is still there, but a half step back), the 'regular' FRS/86/BRZ are one step down...

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a38260627/10best-2022-subaru-brz-toyota-gr-86/ 14.0 at 101 in the 1/4 - a bit quicker than expected quicker than a US E36 M3, or any 944/968, so pretty quick in my book though still not THAT much quicker than an ND2 (14.5 at 95, also CnD)

Yeah, ditto on jezza's post. I fully expect the Z to not be as practical as the BRZ/86, but it should be a bit better than my current ND. I knew going in I'd be moving to a hitch rack for the bicycle and the trunk would be more modest (not terrible, though), but I wasn't prepared for how much...

Way back when the original BRZ was coming out, I wanted to check fit and also measure the cargo area to see if it could take a bicycle, etc. (it does nicely, btw). It was a similar situation - roped off car at 'local' show, but obviously had been open to media folks. I was told no access, with...

This thread just shows why Nissan should've gone with separate sport and luxury packages as was rumored :(

I previously voted sport, but changed it to out for now. I could still end up in a Performance if it is priced low enough (say <$44k), but I really don't need 'glove compartment dampening' and 2x power seats, Bose, WiFi, etc. in my performance car. At this point, I'm planning to watch and see...

Agree with pretty much all of this - I wasn't even thinking about the auto when I put the prices together ? And I don't think there will be any options - the press release even says: "One available option: Proto Spec", but I'm sure your dealer would be happy to charge you $$$$ for...

I just added option 7 for you :)

Just curious to gauge the feeling here on this - maybe Passe will take note :) Assume USD and consider we don't really know the price of the base/sport (could be anywhere from $38-42K, I think). What I think really matters is the price of the Performance trim (unless the delta is just huge, in...

1. Noticed this on the 'latest posts' - holy necrothread dos. Wow, this forum is old :) C. As a nearly two-year owner of an ND2, I will say it is great to drive and I'm pretty happy with it - probably can't really add anything that hasn't already been put on the internet elsewhere IV. The...

Sport - If I get one, it will be autocrossed - this trim is the most likely to be most competitive in whatever class the Z ends up in. BTW, I'm >45 but only a few grays showing, so the <35 is a bit of a miss in my case :)

This ^^^^ The NISMO should be the 1LE/PP2 equivalent for the Z - the 'old model' of +hp and cosmetics has zero appeal to me.

I haven't been following the history all that closely, but I haven't seen anything to really rule out a good LSD. This post (#81) says development was "a few hundred million" and you can get a Quaife or Wavetrac to fit in the current housing - hopefully some of that millions went to a serious...

Well, if the engine alone is worth 6 sec., I'm still pretty hopeful. The '09 was tested on Yok Advan Sports (https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15387935/lightning-lap-2009/ - also note in here the Mustang arrived on the wrong tires and subsequently cut 5 seconds with the correct ones), a...

This is a bit dated, but I was thinking about how the Z might do on this next(?) year - https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/ See below for what I think are some relevant cars/times with ballpark prices. While we'd obviously like to see the new Z...