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Show me where anyone said the 86 is close to the Z (which was also running upgraded tires, pads, and fluid). As I said, to each their own.

One out of context 'quote' (WA's) deserves another (mine) :) more words :): Simply dismissing the 86 in a one liner isn't right - It is not a straightforward comparison at all and the 86 has a lot going for it ("the 86 is a much more like driver's car feel" - right after the acceleration...

The 86 is closer to the Z than the Z is to the Supra... (@33:52)

1. The gearing in the 6M in the Z is fine - a taller first would probably hurt acceleration. You are almost definitely going to shift before 60 regardless (unless you are riding a superbike :)). At least the Z doesn't require 2 shifts to 60 (like the CTR). 2. The 5-60 test starts with the...

The number that sticks out to me is the 5-60. At 5.3, it is really poor by comparison. The 370 was 5.6. Can't blame this one on the tires - and the gearing isn't overly tall like some Porsches. Turbo lag? (Supra - both 6 and 4, other BMWs, CTR all do just fine.) Just poor tuning? Edit -...

Not quite the same number of votes (yet), but getting close - 9 months and pricing info makes a significant difference: ------------------------ I'm still on my same opinion (I could end up waiting to see if they bring a package with just the go-fast stuff, at which point there shouldn't be...

Peter Brock, with an embedded GRM video: https://classicmotorsports.com/articles/driving-new-nissan-z-column/ I love the headline (which should probably go in one of the vs. Supra threads): "Good taste returns" :)

Quoting myself here just to follow up - looks like the 'tach' isn't lying and math works :) https://www.autoguide.com/manufacturer/nissan/2023-nissan-z-first-drive-the-franchise " For the autocrossers out there eagerly awaiting, the manual gives 65.2 mph at the top of second gear as determined...

So the specs as of last year were redline at 6800 rpm, not 7000 - I wonder if the display is being 'generous'. Also per last year's specs, 2nd is 2.325:1 and FDR is 3.538, so 2nd calculates to 63.3 mph on 783 rev/mi 275/35R19's (and 63.6 mph on 780 rev/mi 245/45R18's). An actual 7000rpm would...

I only made it through a couple minutes of this - as an ND2 owner, I agree with the great shifter, and the 'usability' of the (modest) power, but anybody that says a base (or club) ND2 with no mods is as close to a go kart as anything he's ever driven needs to drive some more cars :) - like an...

BRZ/GR86 with turbo or supercharger - buy it now NA and drive it that way for a while - FI solution will probably be out soon (maybe sooner than you can actually get your hands on a Z for <50k ? )

Yes, you definitely have to pay attention to the tires and not sweat the small stuff (hence my smiley on the CTR vs Zupra), but I think LL is worth looking at to assess the general level of 'competitiveness' - at this point I'm not sure the Z will beat the Veloster N(!), let alone get within 2...

Some videos up from this year's testing https://www.caranddriver.com/videos/ notable: 2021 Mustang Mach 1 - crushes with a 2:52 - right with the GT350R, a bit ahead of SS 1LE, WAY ahead of 3.0 Supra, etc. 2022 Civic Type R LE - down to 3:01 (from non-LE 3:04) - really impressive for FWD, also...

Still prefer the Z styling (by a lot), but the Zupra has grown on me a bit - have to admit this made me go and re-check the price: $52.6k - yeah, that's still a nope :)

I don't need really long range from my sporty/DD - just enough to get to after-work stuff or maybe a not-too-far-off MTB ride on the weekends. So, if you look at something like the Model 3 SR+ with only ~54 kWh and good efficiency at ~240wh/mi, that'd be good enough for me. The SR+ is 'only'...

Throttle House track comparison to Supra and/or M2 and/or ??? C&D Lightning Lap

I've never been a vette guy, but I've been keeping an eye on C6 prices - both 'base' and grand sports - not that much bigger than a Z and way smaller than a ponycar, plus 400+ hp and ft-lb, lighter than a Z, nice contrast from BRZ/Miata - just have to deal with the vette owner 'stigma' ? Early...

Just keeping up rumble's parallelism :) https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/threads/next-generation-subaru-brz.123/page-6#post-16115

Big C&D comparo article, now with 5-60 times: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a38212025/2022-hyundai-veloster-n-vs-subaru-brz-toyota-gr86-vw-gti-compared/ So a nice improvement from the previous gen, but actually a tenth slower (basically tied) with the ND2 for 5-60...

Just the layout of this forum is telling... In contrast, ft86club and miata.net: