WelpI’m hesitant to buy into anything prior to Monday, however if it is 50k for Premium, Nissan isn’t just shooting themselves in the foot—they’re RPG’ing that sucker into oblivion.
Maybe that’s part of the mindset? Wouldn’t it be great if Nissan said NO ADM, otherwise your not be getting any cars first up, and that the dealer delivery cost is inbuilt, and it’s 3k?? Then those who said wouldn’t charge over the recommended price would have a dilemma…do they take the built in fee, or offer a discount?Welp
In all seriousness, I am...kind of bummed. This wasn't the news I was hoping to wake up to this morning.
The only silver lining I could see here is this might (the MOST emphasis on might possible) deter ADMs.
Oh, I'll definitely be digging into the reviews today to see what's what. I think I already grasp the bullet points, though.So what your saying is …you want a Z that’s better than a Supra that’s 10k cheaper?
All I can say is look at the reviews…they are positive, the car is fast a joy to drive and fun ….
The base model is the base model because the Z is a young guys dream for modding, makes it affordable for those who want to take it apart and put it back together
The performance is for those who don’t want to touch it other than perhaps lowering it and giving it some track ready wheels
Onviously everyone has their own thoughts and opinions… but I give you the same challenge as one of the other posters.
Sit on it for a day or two, watch as many reviews as you can, let the dust settle and then compare the two cars your most likely to purchase not on the disappointment of it not costing what you had in mind but actual one for one comparison
You may change your mind… you may not …but give the shock a chance to wear off
I’m excited
I completely get your points.Oh, I'll definitely be digging into the reviews today to see what's what. I think I already grasp the bullet points, though.
As to your first question.... Yes. I mean, don't we *all* want that? I suspect what you mean is that we shouldn't have expected it, which is probably true.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, at all, so let me state my specific position: within a single generation, the Z went from "car I can easily afford" to "car I cannot afford outside of the decontented base model" and that's frustrating. There's a substantial difference between a $36,000 car (like, say, a 2020 Sport trim) and a $50,000 car in terms of its market position, I imagine we'd agree on that.
I'm not a modder. My Z is my daily driver so it's largely unmolested outside of some small cosmetic changes. I'm trying to figure out how we can believe that $40,000 is a reasonable amount for a young person to spend on a vehicle they intend to dismantle. Maybe we define "young" differently. Or perhaps our parameters for affordability are just vastly different.
It's totally possible that I am a complete outlier, here. Maybe your average Z buyer has a high income and/or low overall cost of living. Maybe they tend to be older. Well, I'm off to get into these reviews! Such a lovely-looking car, isn't it?
Right, but my groceries haven't seen a 30% increase in priceBut my main point is, day to day living is increasing rapidly and the car manufacturing industry has had to overcome more issues than most industry, so it only follows that their prices wouod also rise substantially.
Well in Australia they have…so i you guys haven’t your lucky…some products have gone up by 100% …we have a running commentary at the moment about the price of lettuces because there is an election onRight, but my groceries haven't seen a 30% increase in price
To be more precise, what other vehicles are seeing this level of price increase year-over-year? This seems much more like the Z moving intentionally up market rather than simply reacting to the current state of manufacturing cost instability. Like, the Civic just changed generations and the prices have remained pretty stable, you know? This seems much more intentional from Nissan.
Perhaps I am still just being hyper-critical. It'll dull with time, as all things tend to.
I don't think it was done with the intention of annoying anyone, no, no. Nissan isn't *villainous,* just misguided, in this specific case and in my specific opinion. I'm simply trying to find another example of a vehicle increasing its baseline price by this much, recently, and as a result of something beyond the manufacturer's control. Sure, the VR30DDTT is pricier than the VQ it replaces but that doesn't account for it, you know? If it *isn't* an intentional move upmarket, I just cannot see why there's this level of price increase for the point of entry.I dont see why they would intentionally set prices to annoy people, I mean they know what people were expecting from forums such as these…they would be losing money by making far less sales
I can’t comment, because I’m not in the US, but I have seen the comments about the C8 price increase on the forum, what is the new Lotus priced at compared to the outgoing?I don't think it was done with the intention of annoying anyone, no, no. Nissan isn't *villainous,* just misguided, in this specific case and in my specific opinion. I'm simply trying to find another example of a vehicle increasing its baseline price by this much, recently, and as a result of something beyond the manufacturer's control. Sure, the VR30DDTT is pricier than the VQ it replaces but that doesn't account for it, you know? If it *isn't* an intentional move upmarket, I just cannot see why there's this level of price increase for the point of entry.
We need a new poll on to see what the members want now. I bet most will go w/ Performance thoughWell. The performance is poor value.
The Sport is great value.
I know which way I’ll be going!
No, the C8 has remained exceptionally stable in its first few years, and it only increased marginally from the C7:I can’t comment, because I’m not in the US, but I have seen the comments about the C8 price increase on the forum, what is the new Lotus priced at compared to the outgoing?