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~600 ft-lbs is low? :oops: I guess you're asking why it peaks at 6k RPM rather than earlier & higher?

Aside from the SavageGeese track comparison, not really. I think the Z is only materially in the hands of reviewers and youtubers at the moment, so bone stock or loaded up with AMS gear it seems. I would expect that type of info to start filtering out once owners have had it for a while.

So basically they'll sell their showroom car if you're really desperate, but they'd really rather have it themselves

I don't want to dismiss the possibility of the 2nd gear grind being an issue, but it's just too early to say imo. I suspect if there is a persistent issue, Nissan will address it. Yeah I'm keen to see if the dark horse is offered here. The mach 1 only made it here in such limited numbers that...

Why the hostility dude? Everyone knows what the (current) mustang is and isn't and can make a decision for themselves. I don't personally like the interior, and the issues I've heard from owners and the well publicised issues with the MT-82 put me off. If I really wanted the v8 I'd probably...

Thanks, I didn't think so.

Do we have objective information on the 2024 Mustang yet?

Yeah this could have played out a lot worse all things considered. A different split second decision and either could have easily ended up going over. I sometimes see these collisions and wonder how it would have played out if one were on a motorbike. Just bad times all around.

I was surprised that it wasn't higher up the list until I realised they ran the automatic 86. 2/5 cars arriving in untestable condition really gives some insight into how hard these cars are being driven. An 86 with a factory turbo would be a very compelling option. I'd be reconsidering the Z...

I assume they all were tbh. He's an idiot, but it won't excuse the truck being on the wrong side of the road without visibility on what's coming around the corner.

Yeah, pretty cut and dry from the footage

I can't imagine how these guys could come unstuck.. :rolleyes:

I figured something was off. I'm going to need a degree to stay on top of the BMW model numbering ? Yeah saving 20k upfront is never a bad thing, let alone with cheaper financing. What does the 6cyl Supra work out to in Canada? It seems pretty closely priced in the US, but not so much here.

I don't have a good gauge on car prices in North America, but is the 440i a Z competitor on price? Here in AU an M440i xDrive is ~140k compared to the Z at ~82k. A 420i is 85k for example. The entry grade 6 cyl Supra is also ~95k and jumps to ~106k for the top grade. So there is quite a spread...

Damn... that's the kind of predicament I'd like to find myself in ? It would be so hard to pass on a new C8

I mean I don't think there is a right and a wrong way to shop for a sports car, and I agree that other types of cars offer better comfort/practicality. At the performance level these cars are at though, I'd trade a small amount of performance for better daily drivability. If I were chasing a...

Agreed RE: the 86. It's a great car and the best value of the options imo. It isn't fast though, and I think anyone buying one has made peace with that already. Having the best specs/numbers in the category are not super relevant to my daily driving needs. Other factors like visibility, build...

If the 86 was actually fast, rather than just feeling fast I think this comparison would be taken a lot more seriously. The Z obviously isn't tuned for maximum corner speed, but I still think it's the more complete sports car.

That's the rub really. If you're after a manual the MT-82 still feels like a gamble, whether it really is any more or not. Otherwise an auto GT w/ magneride & recaros is great value imo, which it hopefully continues to be in the new generation.

I'm quite happy that anyone seeing the keyfob will think it's for a plain old Nissan. I'd rather not run into awkward office conversations about buying expensive toys.