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Shame on them for not putting the new car on a pedestal.

Well well well....A lot of current order may be cancelled until further notice lol

That is similar to the Kinetics from Seiko that wakes up after you move it around (replacing the old fashioned spring winding). And this was available more than 20 yrs ago. So it really isn't all that ground breaking. For me, the biggest thing is the brand perception. Citizen isn't a luxury...

What?....?

Somehow they manage to make the front end looks Camero ish....

All we know is the diff works. ?

I really am surprised if there is a real market for these type of watches. At $2k a piece, I am getting some entry level Tag not a Citizen.

I'd take that as a grain of salt including a higher powered GRMN model. There is no way BMW is going to give them the real M car engine. If all of that is true, I am sold and will definitely make potential Z buyers have a second look.

It is turning into another NSX type car in which rumors keep/updates keep coming up, and when the car finally comes out, is 10yrs later and all the excitement has waned.

Sat in one of these xdrive in Nov. It's a pretty quick non M car. The ZF transmission is buttery smooth. It's quite expensive for a non M car though. One cool feature is the kidney grille and intakes on the bumper are motorised..Opens and close as it needs based on engine temp and needs.

Get this ugly car out of this forum please.

My 95 s14 with a sr20det and my 93 s13.

Just speaking about the US, car flipping is very common. Of course you have to pick the right car to have any success. Virtually every Porsche GT cars here are bought by people who eventually sell them shortly for a profit. There are only a minority of them that actually drive them for a few...

Interesting opinions. Using the "how would dealership make money" (even in the CoVID era) to justify ADM is just wrong. The MSRP already priced in the money dealer will get each and every time they sell a car. They don't need the ADM to "survive". You can focus on selling more cars instead. I...

The 370z Nismo is marginally better than the regular one, so the new Z will for sure outperform it at least on paper. The rest will be the real on track performance and car manners that 99% of the customers wouldn't even know.

What do you expect, this is a Z forum. ? You go to mkvforum (or any other forum), it's the same thing.