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I think someone on this thread also discussed this. But if you look at the used car market - the loan to value that was borrowed against was so high that we are seeing Repos start to occur. Once those repos hit the auction and then the auction prices start to go down bc of the supply - then we...

Everything seems to be getting bigger and bigger. I agree the current gen CTR is already a big car - not that it’s a bad thing - since it has become the performance ‘do it all’ ride that was supposed to be ‘reasonably priced’. Right now - I feel with the extreme markups of the new CTR that will...

I thought that the SG review with the same tires had the Z faster around the track than the GR - a good amount but if you look at the screenshot - the TH guys were able to get a better time with the GR. I don’t know - I think part of the issue with the Z is what we all know - its not a track car...

Several things come to mind - for starters - part of the reason why prices jumped so much was bc the used car market had a huge shortage driven by the shortage of the new car market thus making all used prices jump. So many people are forgetting that cars are depreciating assets - your 'new' Z...

I don’t think I have ever bought a brand new car. I just feel in ‘normal times’ - they typically depreciate quite a bit after you drive it off the lot. Granted if you keep your vehicle for a very long time - than depreciation is not a factor but just ensuring that you have a vehicle that hasn’t...

Everyone 'has a price' - at this point - would I pay $5k over MSRP for some worthless addons by the dealer - hmm....depending on the car - maybe. I hate to say it - but the CTR in 2017 when people were paying over MSRP winded up holding its value overall. Granted - we have to take into...

The problem is - for instance - I have been thinking of keeping my current Z and then making it into a long-term project car - doing the whole twin turbo setup etc. But then look for another 'fun daily' at least; and that list is VERY SHORT - basically I want either the Honda CTR - either the...

What I found bonkers was the fact that the Supra is sandbagging as much as it is on their power numbers - when your wheel horsepower > crank wheel horsepower - wow - talk about really sandbagging. As much as we all WANT to see the Z put down better numbers and be the Supra beater - its not. But...

Like others have already said - the best thing to do is be patient and wait out the stupidity. The only ones I see paying huge markups are YouTubers who need to have content or people with more money than sense. I know I'll be waiting for a slightly used one or wait for the market to cool down...

For a lot of cars - it feels like the best thing to do is wait for a slightly used one - I feel that the ADM being added to both of these cars will make it difficult to get. Hopefully by the time a lot of cars are being released - this car bubble will have burst and things will go back to normal...

When looking at some of the more difficult cars to obtain - the Dealers just do the opposite - basically its all about the agreed upon financing and running the credit unless you pay cash - and then FINALLY - you can then test drive to see if that ‘hard inquiry’ was worth the hype. Regardless I...

Let’s not forget that PRE-pandemic - the Supra could be had for BELOW MSRP. Even during the beginning of the pandemic - when I was shopping for a CTR - which I couldn’t find at MSRP - the Supra WAS available for a few grand below MSRP - thus making it the better ‘bargain’. Once the market...

Today was a big letdown - I mean, this was to be the ‘Supra Killer’ and put Nissan back into ‘relevancy‘ - but it looks like it is not. The one thing that does come to mind and watching several videos (like we all have) on the Z - it looks like Nissan is making this more of a ‘tuner’ car than...

I think the bigger fear should be the dealer markups - i know most manufacturers don't look to intervene but.....if you are Nissan - you NEED this to be popular and sell. Especially when you are using a lot of the same parts across 2 different cars to make this vehicle. If dealer greed wind up...