Does anyone actually want an automatic?

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Completely wrong. I've had a 200sx turbo for nearly 25 years and never floored it on public roads. That's dangerous, irresponsible, childish, and done by the moronically stupid. :mad: Everyone caught doing that should not only have their licence permanently removed, but their car also instantly confiscated and crushed.

A few years ago some moron doing just that to show off crashed off the road and only narrowly missed a group of school girls waiting at a bus stop. Another moron in a night street race meet caused a girl to need to have her legs amputated after crashing into her.

If you want to drive fast, take it to a track where it belongs (and where anyone in a standard Z will get their ass handed to them on a plate by all those driving the more expensive faster cars).
That's a weak troll. There's a time and place for everything and to say you've never gone WOT on a public road is hilarious. So going WOT = street racing to you...lol ok got it. I also like that you equate more expensive, faster cars to getting your ass handed to you when it's actually the driver and not the car that makes the biggest difference on track. Normally, one of the first lessons is getting schooled by someone with half the HP you have and it's great!

Carry on!

 
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If you want to drive fast, take it to a track where it belongs (and where anyone in a standard Z will get their ass handed to them on a plate by all those driving the more expensive faster cars).
False statement, you should know not to generalize like that.

I've been tracking for years, why I'm able to safely use full throttle often when the situation calls for.

Too many stupid stunts on streets, that's fact, driver egos getting them, passengers, and/or bystanders killed!

Try some track days, most are safely monitored, beginner groups have classroom and lead-follow lapping, learning lines, braking, apex turns, safety etc. For the price paid for the entire day it's worth it. You WILL learn car control at limits. No need to do any of this on streets.
 
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Posts like this are very common in sports cars, heck even muscle cars, forums. It's never definitive, what each really 'wants' as their own preferences, really.

Let's throw in another factor, if the Z is avail with a true dual-clutch (DCT, PDK) auto, that might be more game-changer for manual buyers. Sadly the Z only comes with a slushbox, i.e. torque convertor, auto. Down and upshifts will never be as quick as DCT. OTOH the 9 speed is totally fine for a daily driver.

Now, comparing against EVs with their instant torque capabilities are kind of fruitless, EVs will always win on straight line pulls, only few exotics can match. This won't get any better for ICEs in the future, we all know it.
Had Nissan decided to redesign the Z completely from the ground up the way General Motors did the mid-engine C8 Corvette, they might have been able to go with a DCT--but then the Z would never have come in at the existing price point that it did.

Given Nissan's financial struggles and them probably not wanting the potential of cutting into their GT-R sales with a lower-cost alternative--like a NISMO Z with a DCT--it makes sense that Nissan found it more financially feasible to reboot and update the 370Z and offer a manual and automatic.

Most manual buyers would still prefer a manual. Even though a DCT gives you the absolute best of both worlds, the additional complexity and cost of a DCT over a conventional manual transmission would serve a a deterrent to some.
 

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Which is exactly what I said - if you want to drive fast, take it to the track where it belongs.
To be fair, you've said quite a few things, many of which were silly and some of which made sense. Applying full throttle does not equate to "driving fast" and isn't an inherently "track only" action, for example. That was a silly position to take. Recklessly speeding, however, definitely is something to avoid on the street; though you could argue that it's best to avoid that on the track, as well, since recklessness is just best avoided, in general.
 

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One thing to consider regarding speed, is speed limits are up to 80 mph in some US states. So effectively the driver could be looking at 90 mph or higher on a clear road. With that in mind, calculated based on Nissan provided specs, the following should be the cruising RPM at 90 mph for the manual vs automatic Z:

manual (29" tire diameter/ 0.795 top trans gear/3.538 diff gear)
90 mph = 3150.24 rpm

automatic (29" tire diameter/ 0.597 top trans gear/3.133 diff gear)
90 mph = 2094.85 rpm

On a longer higher speed outing, the driver could be looking at the engine buzzing 1000rpm higher with the manual trans. Just something to factor in, if deciding between the two transmissions.
 

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Applying full throttle does not equate to "driving fast"
So a car at full throttle is going slow?? Talk about insanely silly comments.

If you can't drive sensibly, get off the f'n public roads.

I'm done with this forum and it's too many argumentative morons. :(
 

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So a car at full throttle is going slow?? Talk about insanely silly comments.

If you can't drive sensibly, get off the f'n public roads.

I'm done with this forum and it's too many argumentative morons. :(
Do you... Do you just not understand the difference between acceleration and speed? Like, literally, in the truest sense? I really think you're just using incorrect terminology.

Your definition of "sensibly" driving is evidently *so rigid* that it limits throttle input on public roads to, what, anything other than wide open? At any time and for any duration? I'm quite confident you're alone on that particular island.

But yes, I'm sure you're right. Let's conclude that I'm (or we're, potentially) being ludicrous 😂
 

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I originally wanted an auto since they are almost always faster anymore and I use the remote start all the time. But the more I think about it a manual does seem to fit this car better and I have a garage now. I would have to get a 2nd car for the winter if I went with the manual though unless I could find a place that would install a remote start on it.
 
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I'm done with this forum and it's too many argumentative morons. :(
I believe you lack self awareness.

Whilst I think you probably won't listen, perhaps slipping straight into denial and hostility, have you considered yourself to be the common element in these perceived arguments.
 

 
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