Right on, it's going to take some serious modification to make the Z come out on top in a drag race with a stock Supra. And even if someone is able to unlock the perfect combination of upgrades that allow for the VR30 to overcome the chassis limitations, and even if those modifications can be done relatively cheaply (all things considered), the Z is still far too close to the Supra from an MSRP perspective for it to look like a relative bargain (which was always part of the allure, at least for me).Broken record here.....no way the Z, with it's old chassis, is going to win over a BMW with a modern chassis and underrated inline 6.
Obviously the VR30 is very competitive, it's the ancient chassis it's in holding it back. Turn it up to 500hp and it's going to be messy!
I don't mind the performance shortcomings.Right on, it's going to take some serious modification to make the Z come out on top in a drag race with a stock Supra. And even if someone is able to unlock the perfect combination of upgrades that allow for the VR30 to overcome the chassis limitations, and even if those modifications can be done relatively cheaply (all things considered), the Z is still far too close to the Supra from an MSRP perspective for it to look like a relative bargain (which was always part of the allure, at least for me).
I've resigned to the idea that the new Z just isn't as capable a performer as I had hoped it would be. I doubt if many will necessarily care, in practice, but it will always be in the back of some/many of our minds.
This! Nissan has that scrappy quality, for better or worse. I want to see the day we're able to get these for invoiceI don't mind the performance shortcomings.
But I'm going to want to get this thing under MSRP. I've always bought underdog Nissans. But I've always scored a really good deal too.
What would invoice be on a Performance Z? If it's $48k than that's better.
I won't be cross shopping other cars, unless a Supra 6MT happened into my life.
Still prefer the underdog.
Not yet.Random thought: has anyone seen a performance comparison between the two Z trims (using and aligning both transmissions)? I'd be curious to see if there's much of a difference off of the track. There wasn't in the case of the 370. In fact, I think it was C&D who claimed a Base 370 with sticky rubber would perform virtually indistinguishably from a NISMO on the street.
Oh, it would be straight up hilarious! That's a PR nightmare Nissan surely would prefer to avoid, particularly given the bludgeoning the Z has already taken in many notable comparisons.Not yet.
Seeing as how much wheelspin the LSD equipped Performance Z has, it'd be interesting up against an open diff Sport Z.
Wouldn't it be funny if the Sport actually performed better?
The Supra has markups as well, no?I like how all these Tubers round down on the Z price and round up on the Supra.
Where in the hell can you find a Performance Z for $49K?
-RJM
I did a quick browse around the other forum and yes it seems quite a few are paying markups. I will say though im surprised how many are able to get msrp as well so i dont think its quite as bad as the Z situation so far. At least that's my impression from a glance but I could be off the mark.The Supra has markups as well, no?
Manual Supras are already on sale???I did a quick browse around the other forum and yes it seems quite a few are paying markups. I will say though im surprised how many are able to get msrp as well so i dont think its quite as bad as the Z situation so far. At least that's my impression from a glance but I could be off the mark.
I will add that my local dealer offered me msrp on a 2023 if I ordered so the potential is certainly there. Like many things seems area dependent.